JSA Work programme

AP007

Nightranger wrote: »

Sheer and unreserved crap! I missed an application by way of a failed website failure that did not provide the standard tests. I completed these when an email told me I had failed for the original job...then I was short-tracked when the next opportunity came up. My mistake was recognised in less than one month.

LOL Ask anyone on here who has applied to ASDA for example and they will tell you differently. You can not re apply for 6 months - that's for ANY job at all. Not allowed to apply for another for 6 months. They do not fast track anyone for different jobs as you have to apply for each job you want to apply for but this is what ASDA say
'Thank you for your interest in joining the team at Asda, it’s great that you’re so enthusiastic. However, the results of your first application are still valid, as it’s less than 6 months since you last applied.
All the decisions we make about applications are valid for a full 6 months and so unfortunately, as you were unsuccessful the first time, we can't accept any new applications from you for any other roles within this time.
We really appreciate that you’ve taken the time to send us your details again, and we’re sure your determination will pay off very soon. In the meantime, we wish you the very best for the future.
Yours sincerely,
Asda Recruitment Team

AP007

Nightranger wrote: »

Really? I have NO, let me explain that, ZERO retail experience. No one has an automatic right to expect a position on reputation. If you failed an assessment you have to ask yourself why. I failed a numeracy test at interview by a stupid mistaken attempt to recognise a mathematical relationship. Heck, it is easy done.

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You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about something there! What on earth does 'No one has an automatic right to expect a position on reputation' mean? I don't expect anything at all.

Ask myself why I failed? Erm well if I knew that I wouldn't have failed, would I?

AP007

Nightranger wrote: »

Sorry friend but get over yourself, you implied that I had special needs that you didn't have. It was and is impossible to escape the fact that we all have needs...no one has a god-given right to work or any right to any particular position in life.



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All comes from you saying the WP was somewhat great and I was negative about it as there was nothing good about it.

Maybe they did something to help you. They did nothing for me and I rarely saw anyone.

valacky

AP007 wrote: »

LOL Ask anyone on here who has applied to ASDA for example and they will tell you differently. You can not re apply for 6 months - that's for ANY job at all. Not allowed to apply for another for 6 months. They do not fast track anyone for different jobs as you have to apply for each job you want to apply for but this is what ASDA say
'Thank you for your interest in joining the team at Asda, it’s great that you’re so enthusiastic. However, the results of your first application are still valid, as it’s less than 6 months since you last applied.
All the decisions we make about applications are valid for a full 6 months and so unfortunately, as you were unsuccessful the first time, we can't accept any new applications from you for any other roles within this time.
We really appreciate that you’ve taken the time to send us your details again, and we’re sure your determination will pay off very soon. In the meantime, we wish you the very best for the future.
Yours sincerely,
Asda Recruitment Team

Hi.
I have had the same response from the CO-OP Banking group. It appears that the long term unemployed are being ostracised even more despite all of the 'efforts' of the Work Programs.

Paul38

Finally!!!! Someone else gets it!

I have been saying for along time now that the long term unemployed get a raw deal from employers, as well as the DWP and also the British Government.......The MP'S are queuing up to call us lazy and blame us for the success of the East Europeans when the truth is that allowing them in to this country in their thousands is the real reason.

I get the impression now that the Government are not interested in helping long term unemployed back into work but are more interested in punishing us for it. I came off the work programme and was told I would be doing daily signing for 6 weeks and when I asked why I was told that it was because I never got a job when I was on the work programme. My reply to this was "Why don't you ask the WP why this is the case as they are the ones who are paid millions of pounds to get me a job"....................unsurprisingly I didnt get an answer to that.

An idea that I have had for a while is for the Government to approach employers and ask what it would take to give long term unemployed a chance, maybe financial incentives. tax breaks etc. Another idea is to set up a scheme where employers take on long term unemployed on a subsidised wage. The cost to the Taxpayeer would be less because the part of the wage paid by the Government would be the amount they pay us JSA and this would save them money as the WP would become obsolete.

Believe it or not I wrote to the PM a few months back and mentioned this idea......Letter was acknowledged but still hopeful he might consider it :j

AP007

Paul38 wrote: »

An idea that I have had for a while is for the Government to approach employers and ask what it would take to give long term unemployed a chance, maybe financial incentives. tax breaks etc. Another idea is to set up a scheme where employers take on long term unemployed on a subsidised wage. The cost to the Taxpayeer would be less because the part of the wage paid by the Government would be the amount they pay us JSA and this would save them money as the WP would become obsolete.

Believe it or not I wrote to the PM a few months back and mentioned this idea......Letter was acknowledged but still hopeful he might consider it :j

I too asked and suggested this to the WP and the JC and was told only the government can change that. I believe for the under 24's the companies get some pay out

Think of this - they wont take you on or even interview you as you are out of work. Not to say they have to take you on but IF they did and you stayed at the company over 2 years then the Government pay say 25% of the 1st years salary to the company.

Or maybe bring in a law like in NY that you cant not turn someone down due to the fact they are not in work.

If you imagine this 16,000 are transferred to one WP provider. JUST for the initial appointment with the said 16,000 people the one WP gets £6,400,000

A very big waste of over £6million if you ask me but they must love throwing money away

Paul38

With regard to the Work Programmes, the Conservative governments made some serious changes.

The main change is that now you don't have to go everyday, whereas under Labour it was Monday to Friday 9.30 - 4.30. I was always put on them with the purpose of getting on a work placement but they would leave us sat in a room twiddling our thumbs and when you complained to the Jobcentre, all they would do is let them know what you had done and tell you to go back. And you would bee kicked off the course a few days later and they would tell the Jobcentre that you were offered a placement but refused it......and the JC always accepted this.

I always used to point out to them how daft it was that I went on the WP keen to get a placement, would complain when they wouldn't get me on one and then be booted off because I refused one???? Naturally this fell on deaf ears, even at the appeals tribunals. I was once told by a chairman at a tribunal (when the person from DWP failed to turn up) that if thee decision was to do with a WP that his hands were tied and he was not allowed to change it....in other words, it was a waste of time me going.

With regards to the New WP, well the Cons made a lot of noise about them getting their bonuses when they get someone in work, which is the same system they had before but there is one flaw. If you are on the WP and get a job through your own luck and hard work......they STILL get the bonus.

AP007

Paul38 some people were made to go to the WP daily or weekly or monthly. Whatever the WP saw fit for you as an individual.

The WP is nothing to do with getting work placements or even a job.

The WP only get the bonus when someone gets a job if you have signed the consent form

Paul38

I think you are referring to the WP in the current sense. That is why I said in my post that improvements were made by the Current shower running the country. I did the WP as it is now, it lasted 2 years and I went in 2-3 times a week at the start but I would start at 9.30 and very rarely had to go back after lunch.

After about 3 months they started to lose interest in you and you would go in once a week to do a job search then it was once every 2-3 weeks, purely to do jobsearch and get the third degree as to why I didn't have a job. They used to hit the roof when my reply was " I thought that was your job."

Then you finish the course and the JC start the punishments like the daily signing for 6 weeks........that should help me get a job.....not!

Under Labour's wonderful New Deal you would be put on the WP for a number of reasons. Some people went to get their liteeracy and numeracy upto standard, most that I crossed paths with were there purely to get a work placement, but unfortunately thee WP provider would struggle (read: couldn't bee bothered) to get this sorted out.

It was easier to leave us in a room for weeks on end and accept the money. Someone in my group was once told they got about £200 per person, peer week. I am not sure if that is accurate but I wouldn't be shocked if it was.

The problems became obvious when you went to see your advisor to complain about this, they did not have any sway as to whether you went on the course or not, so rather than decide it was a waste of time sending you to the WP, they had to send you and when you went back after complaining, you knew you would be booted off for the lamest of reasons and you would have your money stopped.

I once got booted off for being late and when I showed my advisor my bus tickets, it was obvious to anyone with a brain cell that this was not the case, unless I went from the bus station on the back of a tortoise.......but I still had my money stopped.

Another occasion, the reason was that I wasn't prepared to do the placement for the wage offered, I had to point out to my JC advisor that work placements DON'T have a wage and.....my money was still stopped. Clearly the system was as bent as a bottle of crisps.

And the appeals system is even worse. Their attitude was " We believe you but will send it to Tribunal level anyway." And when I got told by an appeals tribunal chairman that he was not allowed to change decisions based on WP decisions, I knew what I was up against.

AP007

Paul38 wrote: »

I think you are referring to the WP in the current sense. That is why I said in my post that improvements were made by the Current shower running the country. I did the WP as it is now, it lasted 2 years and I went in 2-3 times a week at the start but I would start at 9.30 and very rarely had to go back after lunch.

After about 3 months they started to lose interest in you and you would go in once a week to do a job search then it was once every 2-3 weeks, purely to do jobsearch and get the third degree as to why I didn't have a job. They used to hit the roof when my reply was " I thought that was your job."

Then you finish the course and the JC start the punishments like the daily signing for 6 weeks........that should help me get a job.....not!

Under Labour's wonderful New Deal you would be put on the WP for a number of reasons. Some people went to get their liteeracy and numeracy upto standard, most that I crossed paths with were there purely to get a work placement, but unfortunately thee WP provider would struggle (read: couldn't bee bothered) to get this sorted out.

It was easier to leave us in a room for weeks on end and accept the money. Someone in my group was once told they got about £200 per person, peer week. I am not sure if that is accurate but I wouldn't be shocked if it was.
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No I am talking about how the WP was for me from 2011 to 2013 and still is that way at my provider

I did the WP July 2011 to July 2013 and I saw someone for 5 mins max once a month for only 18 months.

They get £400 when you are put on the WP - nothing else till you get a job.

I am back at the JC and I have not done daily signing and only sign just as before, once every two weeks