teens and those nicotene vapour pens

Lotus-eater

claire16c wrote: »

I agree in the respect that kids get hold of them anyway, but its sending the wrong message at the moment to have no limits put on them.

Well as I said, all the vaping shops and online retailers I know of (in this country), don't allow under 18's to buy anyway. And I know most of them.

So the limits are already there.

Do you think making it illegal for U18's to buy them, will make the situation better or worse?

Think about it. What do adolescents want to do more, something that is illegal, or something they are allowed to do?

I point once more to smoking, if this way had worked, no children would now be smoking, unfortunately some still are.

Saturnalia

I agree with both of Lotus-Eater's posts.

I don't think I was all that addicted to nicotine. I smoked almost every day, but could go without, and made more attempts at quitting than I can name, and could stay away from cigs for months at a time but never long term. And the first few days' cravings were never that bad - I could get through those few minutes by simply repeating "no, I don't smoke now" to myself.

And I find a nice coffee gives me more of a "hit" than a ciggie does!

I think it was the ritual and routine around smoking that I was hooked on, more than nicotine itself. Stopping is like rewriting the script of your day but with bits missing.

So for me, vaping is perfect. I can keep the enjoyable parts of smoking, lose the health risks, try different flavours, not stink and it's saving me loads of money too.

As vaping is new, there's the chance that 20 or more years down the line, health issues may start appearing in long-term users, but compared with the known high risk of many hideous deadly diseases that smoking causes, I'm prepared to take the chance. There are no carcinogens in vape, and no carbon monoxide produced as nothing is burning. A lot of the UK vendors home-make the juices, are active members of vaping forums and can tell you exactly what is in it. They are the ones to go to - obviously with Far East imports, you're taking your chances and they're best avoided.

I'm quite bemused at teens taking up vaping - I would have thought it lacked the edgy, cool, rebellious status that sadly smoking still has? Especially if their parents approve of it!

CupOfChai

Maybe the kids OP knows who have them have been caught smoking and the deal was made that they give up cigarettes by using these?

princeofpounds

Nicotene by itself is a very low harm drug. It is not appreciably different to caffeine, for example, and certainly lower harm than alcohol.

I'm not a fan of drugs, and it's a shame if lower harm means increased popularisation, but I think people have to be realistic about this. It is hypocritical to treat vaping as akin to something like smoking, but still be ok with the regular consumption of something like alcohol, or red bull, or even plain tea and coffee.

There has been a problem with a lack of quality and safety regulation, but that has been cleared up in many countries quite quickly under food protection laws.

Some countries are regulating it as a tobacco product, others as a pharmaceutical product like a nicotene patch. Personally I'm not sure which is a better approach.

It's always possible that long-term use of something new could cause unknown effects, but every indication we have is that vaping has a rather modest effect on health, again not dissimilar to long-term consumption of caffeine and potentially less than alcohol. Standard juice is pretty straightforward chemically so we probably have a good idea regarding the propelyne glycol and nictene, but flavour additives is perhaps another matter. The potential for harm reduction vs cigarettes is really quite incredible.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

It's just a craze. People follow these things no matter what they are. No doubt in a few years it'll turn out that these people have been inhaling burning plastic and have increased their chances of getting cancer. But it's important to look cool and waste money in the process. What do I know, these things are as safe as houses. I'm sure Iqbal the petrol station attendent has done extensive research into their safety or he wouldn't be a licenced seller of such things.

And people call it 'vaping'. Pathetic.

Lotus-eater

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

It's just a craze. People follow these things no matter what they are. No doubt in a few years it'll turn out that these people have been inhaling burning plastic and have increased their chances of getting cancer. But it's important to look cool and waste money in the process. What do I know, these things are as safe as houses. I'm sure Iqbal the petrol station attendent has done extensive research into their safety or he wouldn't be a licenced seller of such things.

And people call it 'vaping'. Pathetic.

What would you have people call it then? It's not smoking, as no smoke is involved. And vapers don't like being lumped in with smokers.

There are no licensed sellers, unless it's from individual manufacturers.

It's definitely not a craze either, well it might be to kids "having a go", but trust me, it's a hell of a lot more important to people who have used it to stop smoking.
Vaping is literally known as a life changer and life saver. This is one of the reasons vapers can get so emotive about the EU's attempts to effectively ban them.

I don't understand why it's necessary for non smokers, or non users of ecigs, to be so demeaning towards them, we feel they've saved our lives and the medical profession 99% of the time, feel they are at least 99% better for you than smoking.

DigForVictory

Teens are very strange cattle. Individually they're odd, collectively I'd rather predict the weather.
Having acknowledged that I can't tell why they do what they do, and they may well not listen to me telling them to do or not do anything, I'd try to stop them vaping much as I'd try to stop them smoking, drinking or treating people as disposable toys.
So, I'll try to include vaping tech as something in the same mental category as an inhaler - it's medical for those in need & learning to quit is a medical need.

pogofish

Mankysteve wrote: »

There no law on selling e cigs and vaps to under18 at the moment but there will be very shortly.

Rubbish!

The current proposals intend to regulate e-cigs in the same way as pharmaceutical NRT products. Which means they can be provided legally to kids from as youing as thirteen years and over.

Meanwhile, no legit e-cig seller in the UK will sell to anyone under eighteen!

So if you are concerned about kids using e-cigs, then legal regulation is the way to go - it will quite literally open the floodgates for them and probably at our expense as quite a number of local authorities already budget for providing NRT products for free to their schoolkids!

Rev

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

It's just a craze. People follow these things no matter what they are. No doubt in a few years it'll turn out that these people have been inhaling burning plastic and have increased their chances of getting cancer. But it's important to look cool and waste money in the process. What do I know, these things are as safe as houses. I'm sure Iqbal the petrol station attendent has done extensive research into their safety or he wouldn't be a licenced seller of such things.

And people call it 'vaping'. Pathetic.

What's 'pathetic' is the vehemence you seem to have for vaping.

I smoked 10-20 a day from the age of 14. Tried patches. Gum. Inhalers etc. nothing worked. Started vapinv 8 months back and haven't touched a cigarette since.

I've got from 24mg nicotine to 6mg nicotine and will be dropping again next week. Soon I'll be nicotine free and will put away the vape away.

I know I'm not smoking burning plastic since I know exactly what goes into the liquid I fill my vape gear with.

No there's no long term studies. But short term studies have shown it to be considerably less harmful than smoking. I don't intend it to be a long term habit. So I'm not worried.

And wasting money in the process? I spend £10 on liquid per month. If that. I've not bought any the last two months because I've been cutting down. Considering how much is have spend buying L&B. I don't know how you conclude I've wasted money.

And I couldn't care less how it looks. What I care about is the fact I've finally given up smoking.

Saturnalia

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

It's just a craze. People follow these things no matter what they are. No doubt in a few years it'll turn out that these people have been inhaling burning plastic and have increased their chances of getting cancer. But it's important to look cool and waste money in the process. What do I know, these things are as safe as houses. I'm sure Iqbal the petrol station attendent has done extensive research into their safety or he wouldn't be a licenced seller of such things.

And people call it 'vaping'. Pathetic.

How endlessly fascinating. I'll be sure to give this exactly the level of consideration it deserves.