Best Automatic?

CTcelt1988

skivenov wrote: »

I've always thought the DSG's in VAG group cars are a bit like iPhones. People who have them won't hear a word against them and will tell you at length how great they are (even if mostly it's the only auto they've ever driven). I even had someone who owned one snap "It's not an automatic, it's a DSG".

Everyone who I know who's tried one along with other autos, can't see what the fuss is about.

I have driven two cars with convential autos and the fuel economy were terrible. I currently drive a 1.6 tdi DSG Golf and the fuel economy is excellent. Get 55mpg most of the time. Have had the car for 15 months, touch wood, nothing gone wrong yet. I know there has been some issues with the DSG box in some cars, but the technology is still quite new and will get better and more reliable. Slush boxes are being phased out and only a few manufactures are still doing proper autos. In 5 years time it will be duel-clutch instead of proper autos.

gilbert_and_sullivan

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I have no doubt you are right but on FWD shopping trolleys.

Proper cars driving the correct wheels will still be using TC autos.

CTcelt1988

skivenov wrote: »

I've always thought the DSG's in VAG group cars are a bit like iPhones. People who have them won't hear a word against them and will tell you at length how great they are (even if mostly it's the only auto they've ever driven). I even had someone who owned one snap "It's not an automatic, it's a DSG".

Everyone who I know who's tried one along with other autos, can't see what the fuss is about.

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

I have no doubt you are right but on FWD shopping trolleys.

Proper cars driving the correct wheels will still be using TC autos.

Only Hyundai, Kia and Vauxhall offer torque converter autos now. The rest have gone to dual clutch ones. Kia in fact have a 1.6 model one alongside the convential auto.

GolfBravo

Gearbox technology is being driven entirely by engine technology developments. Engines capacities are getting smaller, and turbo/super chargers are used more often - this makes torsional vibration more severe. There is only so much vibration a compact-sized DMF can take - the only way to make DMFs absorb more vibration/store energy is to use larger springs, and with each new car generation there is less and less space available.

Traditional automatics are just about to make a comeback - there are new torque converters in development (with lockup clutch, integrated hybrid modules, stop-start with a permanently engaged starter, more compact design with a smaller torus, etc.)

gilbert_and_sullivan

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

Only Hyundai, Kia and Vauxhall offer torque converter autos now. The rest have gone to dual clutch ones. Kia in fact have a 1.6 model one alongside the convential auto.

Exactly, shopping trolley makes with a limited life expectancy, which will be considerably shortened when the unreliability of and costs of fixing these dual clutch gearboxes becomes more common knowledge.

Proper cars such as MB BMW Lexus (correct wheels driven) and Toyotas 4x4's still use TC autos and they will contnue to do for years hence, or in the case of Lexus continuing on the Hybrid route.

Talking of shopping trolleys, Toyota have moved away from automated manuals now (except for ageing Aygo) and are now using CVTs in Avensis and new Auris.

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flyingscotno1

I actually like the CVT gearbox on the Auris.

gilbert_and_sullivan

flyingscotno1 wrote: »

I actually like the CVT gearbox on the Auris.

Haven't drive a new Auris yet I expect its similar to the Avensis, which is i agree with you very good, far better than that awful automated manual thing in previous Auris.

Gloomendoom

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Proper cars driving the correct wheels will still be using TC autos.

Thank God!

Red29

Hi Folks

Just a quick update - after doing my paper research my top two are the Astra Elite - max age 2011 and the Hyundai i30 (the new style from 2012 onwards) - so now I just have to find them locally to view and test drive which is proving a bit of challenge!!

Thanks for all replies.

oliverr

Red29 wrote: »

Hi Folks

Just a quick update - after doing my paper research my top two are the Astra Elite - max age 2011 and the Hyundai i30 (the new style from 2012 onwards) - so now I just have to find them locally to view and test drive which is proving a bit of challenge!!

Thanks for all replies.

Glad you've found a couple you like - I think the new Astra is a good looking car, inside and out. :T