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GF stole money to pay Wonga.
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OP - your g/f is taking you for a mug.
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I'm not talking about the law, i'm talking about what she's done. She's nicked money off him to pay off a debt when all's said and done. It's theft AND fraud, not either or.
She's taken money off him without his consent, that's theft. She didn't trick him into giving it her, she just took it.
EDIT: Sorry, it's theft and fraud IF she's pretended to be him on the phone to Wonga or whatever.
did she take the money out cash and hand in to wonga? NO.
she provided wonga the information of the account ONLY.
wongo took the money so i would say that wonga took it wrongfully.
she commited fraud by providing account details to pay off a debt that she knew could be recovered back fraud!0 -
capricorn177 wrote: »There's no way they should be able to take money from another persons account other than the borrower.
Seek repayment from her not Wonga........0 -
LOL you're wrong.atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »did she take the money out cash and hand in to wonga? NO.
she provided wonga the information of the account ONLY.
wongo took the money so i would say that wonga took it wrongfully.
she commited fraud by providing account details to pay off a debt that she knew could be recovered back fraud!
If Wonga took payment in good faith how have they stolen money?
If someone uses your card to pay for a load of stuff from Argos, is it Argos who've stolen from your account or the person that initiated the transaction? If i go and buy a new telly with a debit card i've found i've not stolen the money? Are you being serious? :rotfl:Using a CARD is using someone elses money (a card only links to an account that contains money) to pay for someone for yourself, whether you're paying off a debt, buying milk or transferring it into an account in your own name, you've still stolen from that person.
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Thrugelmir wrote: »Seek repayment from her not Wonga........
what would that acheive Small claims takes ages, his money could be back in his account within a few weeks if he reports the fraud.0 -
LOL you're wrong.
If Wonga took payment in good faith how have they stolen money?
If someone uses your card to pay for a load of stuff from Argos, is it Argos who've stolen from your account or the person that initiated the transaction? If i go and buy a new telly with a debit card i've found i've not stolen the money? Are you being serious? :rotfl:Using a CARD is using someone elses money (a card only links to an account that contains money) to pay for someone for yourself, whether you're paying off a debt, buying milk or transferring it into an account in your own name, you've still stolen from that person.
Correct, but retaining stolen money is still an offence (not dissimilar to 'handling stolen goods').What will your verse be?
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LOL you're wrong.
If Wonga took payment in good faith how have they stolen money?
If someone uses your card to pay for a load of stuff from Argos, is it Argos who've stolen from your account or the person that initiated the transaction? If i go and buy a new telly with a debit card i've found i've not stolen the money? Are you being serious? :rotfl:Using a CARD is using someone elses money (a card only links to an account that contains money) to pay for someone for yourself, whether you're paying off a debt, buying milk or transferring it into an account in your own name, you've still stolen from that person.
i dont for one second think that she will be charged with theft.
i do think she could be charge for attempt to defraud because she made a fraudulant payment with the intent to damage an indevidual (the op).
i think youll also find that because the OP has found out through reasonable steps and the amount is due for refund its fraud.0 -
atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »i dont for one second think that she will be charged with theft.
i do think she could be charge for attempt to defraud because she made a fraudulant payment with the intent to damage an indevidual (the op).
i think youll also find that because the OP has found out through reasonable steps and the amount is due for refund its fraud.
She hasn't committed fraud; she has stolen money from the OP and used it to pay Wonga. It's plain old theft.
Fraud is:
"(1)A person is in breach of this section if he—
(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b)intends, by making the representation—
(i)to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss."
Fraud would be more like her taking out a loan in the OP's name, rather than paying it using his card.What will your verse be?
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She hasn't committed fraud; she has stolen money from the OP and used it to pay Wonga. It's plain old theft.
Fraud is:
"(1)A person is in breach of this section if he—
(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b)intends, by making the representation—
(i)to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss."
Fraud would be more like her taking out a loan in the OP's name, rather than paying it using his card.
theft is to perminantly deprive, as the OP has descovered the loss, and is making steps to recover, then this will amount to a lesser charge fraud.
i fail to now see where the GF has perminantly deprived him of his money when its more likely to be recovered.
did she steal the card no because she put it back so she USED the card without permission.
did she make a false representation to wonga 99% probably because she probably told them she had permission to use it.
did she gain from it yes she wiped a debt.
did the OP encure a loss yes £2k, wich will more likely be recovered.
if the OP after going through steps to recover not get his money back then he has been perminantly deprived then it will revert to theft.0 -
atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »theft is to permanently deprive
Correction.
Theft is intending to permanently deprive.Theft_Act_1968 wrote:A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.
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