Nice People Thread Part 9 - and so it continues

silvercar

vivatifosi wrote: »

I am in bed with virus hence on tablet.

Worse than being in bed on tablet with a virus.


Wish you better.

silvercar

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Got told today wouldn't find out about job until end of first week of September... Six weeks from interview to decision. I can't imagine anyone can even remember what happened in any of the interviews now. Still, I have total faith that the process is fair and transparent...

DS2 still waiting for something in writing.

He doesn't want to nag the guy recruiting him, who is the chief exec, but we are anxious.

LydiaJ

vivatifosi wrote: »

A belated happy birthday Lydia! Sorry I am reading backwards.

Thanks to everyone who's posted birthday wishes since the last time I posted thanking people.

vivatifosi wrote: »

I am in bed with virus hence on tablet.

Hope you're better soon.

PasturesNew

misskool wrote: »

... exploring the possibilities of quantum encoding and how to merge biology and physics for network security...

Yeah.... it keeps me awake at night too

chewmylegoff

PasturesNew wrote: »

That's one of the reasons I've never worked in the public sector.

I've always been able to "get a new job quickly" - and if I need a new job I need one NOW..... first offer wins me.

I've always needed to pay my bills/overheads myself, no time to sit and wait, to see if I get the other jobs.

You take the first offer made. This often means that if you apply for a private sector job and a public sector job the private sector's already interviewed you and made an offer before even the closing date of the public sector job.

They advertise the closing date too - which can be offputting as you then think "God, I need a job before then!" so you don't apply for it as you need a job NOW so need to apply for jobs that'll hire you quicker.

Their pool of available applicants is therefore limited to: people who have the time to sit on their bums and wait.... and not the go-getting, proactive, fast-moving candidates

What grates a bit is that the job advert only gave us 4 days to apply and then I was given three interview dates (all within 5 days of being asked to interview) none of which I could attend so ended up having to cancel a load of work stuff in order to attend which set back one of my cases by two weeks. Then it turns out there was no urgency at all...

Normally we are a bit better when doing external recruitment (at least in terms of making a decision) but the real issue with that is the referencing process. HR demand references covering every day for the last 5 years which takes ages and people often get bored with their pettiness and go off and find over jobs instead.

chewmylegoff

PasturesNew wrote: »

Hoops...... designed to only recruit the ones nobody else wanted, that had time to sit on their bum and wait it out and had nothing else going on in their lives.

That is more the unintended consequence of the hoops than their actuating purpose. It is a symptom of a large organisation with a centralised HR function which doesn't allow the various departments to make recruitment decisions themselves without the HR rubber stamp being applied, as they are the "experts". It might work a bit better if the people in HR could spell their own names though. Last time I extended a job offer it took HR two weeks from the time I told them to make the offer to the offer letter being sent out...

In reality most of our applicants are in work elsewhere when they apply so it just creates delays rather than ending up with us only recruiting incompetent reprobates. Except when recruiting for people to work in HR of course.

LydiaJ

Interesting how it's done in different kinds of work. In my world, you get the offer either the same day or very soon after, but then it's 3-6 months before you actually start. Usually have to give 4 months' notice if you want to leave.

chewmylegoff

LydiaJ wrote: »

Interesting how it's done in different kinds of work. In my world, you get the offer either the same day or very soon after, but then it's 3-6 months before you actually start. Usually have to give 4 months' notice if you want to leave.

Yeah, most people in my world are on 3 months notice. So you write an advert, divisional management takes two weeks to approve, HR sit on it and forget to publish it, eventually gets published a month after you drafted it, spend a week triaging the 150 applications for each job, a week or two later first interviews, then second interviews a week later, then a week to decide who to offer to, then divisional management argue with you for a week over the salary trying to reduce it by £500, then HR sit on it for a couple of weeks, then offer goes out, then several weeks of messing about with references, then successful applicant hands their notice in at current employer...

A minimum of six months end to end.

neverdespairgirl

LydiaJ wrote: »

Interesting how it's done in different kinds of work. In my world, you get the offer either the same day or very soon after, but then it's 3-6 months before you actually start. Usually have to give 4 months' notice if you want to leave.

My mother said that - her contractual notice was half a term, but it was apparently the done thing to give notice even earlier if you could, to give the school time to make a lesiurely selection of another teacher.

My mother gave in her notice for the end of the summer term just after the end of the Easter term (late March or so), and then left the school at the end of July (as it was then). She resigned because she was intending to start a family, and didn't want to be pregnant, sick, tired, and teaching, or to leave half-way though the school year so assumed she'd have no trouble getting pregnant, and gave her notice in anyway.

Fortunately, she turned out to be right, otherwise she'd have had a lot of sitting on her backside worrying about not being pregnant! I was due on 11th March, and born on 31st, the following year.

Spirit_2

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Normally we are a bit better when doing external recruitment (at least in terms of making a decision) but the real issue with that is the referencing process. HR demand references covering every day for the last 5 years which takes ages and people often get bored with their pettiness and go off and find over jobs instead.

This is more to do with national security than assurance about capability. After an NHS Doctor drove a car through the doors at Glasgow airport in an attempt to murder infidels, NHS referencing requirements became a minimum of 3 years accounting for any gaps with personal referees. Ian Huntley is to be thanked for the requirement for 'safeguarding' checks through the disclosure and barring service to keep children safe from familiar faces who are up to no good, and vulnerable adults need protecting too these days.