Tenant stopped paying rent and vanished

fart

SavvyStudentSaver wrote: »

What the hell have I just read? I genuinely think that everyone who has been responding over the past 4 pages ought to be ashamed of themselves. The responses here are as slanderous and petulant as though you were all 13 years old, and trying to establish some kind of dominance over each other in response to the stress and hormones of puberty. Half of these posts wouldn't look out of place in they were on the transcript of a Politics show. So could you all please just grow up, and demonstrate a little maturity- regardless of who is right or wrong.

It's nothing like that at all. It's not a case of oneupmanship, it's a case of someone giving 'advice' which could be potentially damaging to the OP. When i and others correct this advice and are then told publicly that we're wrong, it's necessary to argue the point - we don't want people taking plainly wrong advice because it could potentially be seriously financially damaging for the OP.

People came on here giving advice based on morals, which the law does not care about as you've demonstrated you already know. When i outline the law and someone calls it wrong when it isn't, i'm entitled to defend it, even if it did get a bit long winded. If we didn't, the OP could potentially think he was right in doing what he's done because he's most likely to take the wrong advice of those who are displaying a similar attitude to him. If no argument was necessary then we may as well allow dangerous advice to be posted unchallenged.

freeisgood

Phew! More rallys, volleys and backhands than a Wimbledon final, this thread.

Guest101

Completely agreed with fart, its not a case of arguing for the sake of it. Its trying to highlight the dangers to the OP and any other readers.

Posters such as evanjonesaber, come here to put forward the moral, but not legal, advice. Which clearly is incorrect. When challenged, they resort to empty threats, based on a semi-complete thought.

I would wager, evanjonesaber, could not even find the law on harassment, given this is an internet forum, he's got plenty of time to prove me wrong.

fart

Guest101 wrote: »

Completely agreed with fart, its not a case of arguing for the sake of it. Its trying to highlight the dangers to the OP and any other readers.

Posters such as evanjonesaber, come here to put forward the moral, but not legal, advice. Which clearly is incorrect. When challenged, they resort to empty threats, based on a semi-complete thought.

I would wager, evanjonesaber, could not even find the law on harassment, given this is an internet forum, he's got plenty of time to prove me wrong.

Go through his posting history - EVERY single comment he's made near enough is argumentative, insulting and un-needed. I've reported him so hopefully he'll get banned soon, because not only is he giving dangerous advice his backing, he's also contributing nothing to anything.

To the OP - i suggest you take the advice of the people here who have stated that you could be in deep trouble. The people saying it's okay and not to worry are 100% wrong. I'd seek advice from a solicitor and they will confirm the good advice you've had in here. Taking the poor advice from those that say what you've done is ok could leave you financially crippled, so take it at your own risk.

thesaint

fart wrote: »

Taking the poor advice from those that say what you've done is ok could leave you financially crippled, so take it at your own risk.

How much money do you think he'll probably pay out for this crime?

killielila

reminds me of my 'lovely' ex landlord who after being told noone had seen me for a week - id been rushed into hospital - decided to let her self into the house Thankfully id been let home an hour earlier with orders to rest . fat chance of that after this woman let her self in started shouting at me and threatening me with eviction i ended up in tears and told her id be out by end of month 2 weeks and in those two weeks i had threats of violence from her husband constant calls and unannounced visits . i ended up having to call the police about the harassment . mind you had a small smile when one of the times she turned up unannounced and started yelling at me ( from out side as i had put a bolt on the front door to stop her letting herself in when my 6 year old and i was at home at least ) i was on a call to my friend who happens to be on the local council who was able to verify the harassment and threats and she got her licence revoked

fart

thesaint wrote: »

How much money do you think he'll probably pay out for this crime?

I don't know, i'm not a judge, it's not for me to say. But to say he won't face the possbility of being financially out of pocket is wrong.

There is a case where a landlord removed their things from one room of the property and put them neatly into another room in the property, and demanded keys back from the family. They were awarded over £4k and the landlord got three months in jail.


There's another case remarkebly similar to this one where a couple were told to leave by the landlord a few days before the court proceedings were due to be finished, he showed up unannounced and didn't even get into the property, this was considered harrassment and the couple got £12,500 in compensation.

You know East Lyndsey Council's guideline PDF on this situation says that just knocking on the door and windows of the tenant without prior agreement constitute harrassment, as does 'entering the home without your permission'.

Compensation can also be awarded simply due to 'inconvenience'.

There is a case where someone came home to find the landlord packing up his belongings, the tenant DECIDED to leave, wasn't even 'forced', and was awarded over £9000, £1500 of which was due to 'trespass including harrassment and interference with personal property.'

I can't post links, but google is your friend.

It's unbelievable that you think the landlord will just get away with this. If the tenant knows what he's doing this will at the very least cause a whole load of hassle for the OP.

Your outlook appears to be similar to the person who punches someone in the face but gets told 'nah, first offence mate, you'll get a caution and that's it' like it makes it alright.

thesaint

fart wrote: »

I don't know, i'm not a judge, it's not for me to say. But to say he won't face the possbility of being financially out of pocket is wrong.

There is a case where a landlord removed their things from one room of the property and put them neatly into another room in the property, and demanded keys back from the family. They were awarded over £4k and the landlord got three months in jail.


There's another case remarkebly similar to this one where a couple were told to leave by the landlord a few days before the court proceedings were due to be finished, he showed up unannounced and didn't even get into the property, this was considered harrassment and the couple got £12,500 in compensation.

You know East Lyndsey Council's guideline PDF on this situation says that just knocking on the door and windows of the tenant without prior agreement constitute harrassment, as does 'entering the home without your permission'.

Compensation can also be awarded simply due to 'inconvenience'.

There is a case where someone came home to find the landlord packing up his belongings, the tenant DECIDED to leave, wasn't even 'forced', and was awarded over £9000, £1500 of which was due to 'trespass including harrassment and interference with personal property.'

I can't post links, but google is your friend.

It's unbelievable that you think the landlord will just get away with this. If the tenant knows what he's doing this will at the very least cause a whole load of hassle for the OP.

Your outlook appears to be similar to the person who punches someone in the face but gets told 'nah, first offence mate, you'll get a caution and that's it' like it makes it alright.

I just wanted a guesstimate as to how much you think this episode is likely to cost this landlord.
The lowest of the examples you quoted was four thousand pounds. Yikes!

fart

thesaint wrote: »

I just wanted a guesstimate as to how much you think this episode is likely to cost this landlord.
The lowest of the examples you quoted was four thousand pounds. Yikes!

Well i can't tell if that's sarcasm or not but four grand isn't exactly peanuts is it.

The_Magnificent_Spoon

fart wrote: »

Well i can't tell if that's sarcasm or not but four grand isn't exactly peanuts is it.

Didn't sound like sarcasm to me. If I were fined four grand I would probably throw up everywhere, its a lot of money

It does go to show what a joke the law is though. I know people who have been assaulted completely unprovoked and been left with cuts, bruises, black eyes and in one case broken teeth, and they only received £80 and £150 compensation (which didn't even cover dentist and damage to clothing), yet knocking on somebodies door can lead to fines of thousands of pounds...!