Tenant stopped paying rent and vanished

mrginge

thesaint wrote: »

I encourage my landlords not to bother taking a deposit. The con's far outweigh the pro's.

Which are?

HarryBarry

Atomix wrote: »

https://www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants/harassment-and-illegal-evictions

LAW is 110% on the renters side, there is no-doubt in my mind that I would go straight down the legal route. No doubt what-so-ever.

For a start it is ridiculous that you side with a tenant planning to do a runner, but what legal route would you take? The one that let's the tenant to just use his key to go back in the empty house (which the landlord never emptied and hasn't changed the locks for). Yep, you are right the law allows that and it can be done here. Anything else you would do?

It is obvious the landlord has got lucky here and messed up the tenants plans to do something dodgy. Tenant is annoyed at this and has the cheek to have a go at the landlord for breaking the rules despite him planning to do it. Tenant now bricking it that he owes money and hasn't yet completed the runner. Far easier to track down the new address when you know they are planning it, than weeks after the T has left.

This one could end up in court, but as long as LL acts according to the law, then it will be the tenant having to explain himself.

Norman_Castle

Has the tenant explained why he has moved his furniture or failed to pay the rent? Have you asked?

[Deleted User]

No one is siding with the tenant.., everyone is telling the landlord what the law is and warning him he's could end up in a lot of trouble if he continues ignoring the law.

fart

HarryBarry wrote: »

For a start it is ridiculous that you side with a tenant planning to do a runner, but what legal route would you take? The one that let's the tenant to just use his key to go back in the empty house (which the landlord never emptied and hasn't changed the locks for). Yep, you are right the law allows that and it can be done here. Anything else you would do?

It is obvious the landlord has got lucky here and messed up the tenants plans to do something dodgy. Tenant is annoyed at this and has the cheek to have a go at the landlord for breaking the rules despite him planning to do it. Tenant now bricking it that he owes money and hasn't yet completed the runner. Far easier to track down the new address when you know they are planning it, than weeks after the T has left.

This one could end up in court, but as long as LL acts according to the law, then it will be the tenant having to explain himself.

He's already broken the law. Are you a child? Your post screams of petulance. Nobody is siding with the tenant who quite clearly intended on doing one, but that's not important AT ALL. He didn't break the law. He missed a payment of his rent and without being given the chance to even offer an explanation he's had someone in his house messing with his things. LEGALLY (not morally) the tenant is 100% in the right.

If you want a sympathetic discussion rather than the honest advice that the landlord could be in deep water if the tenant decides to take this all the way, then go somewhere else.

The OP made this post ranting as if the tenant was well out of order when the tenant has actually done nothing wrong except miss a rent payment and then been totally wronged by an inept, uneducated, novice landlord.

HarryBarry

citricsquid wrote: »

Landlord entered the property while the property was still in the hands of the tenant and removed the tenants stuff, that's an eviction. The tenant could have very well been moving their stuff because they've bought a house but fully intend to continue living in the rented house while their new house is renovated. There is no evidence that the tenant has abandoned their tenancy, I've been in exactly that situation (left a place while it was still mine because I was moving) and would have been exceptionally angry if the landlord moved my stuff.



He is liable for rent because the house is still his.

I genuinely cannot believe your post, in another thread you berated a tenant for being bullied by their landlord and demanded they take personal responsibility and in this thread you're defending a landlord that has broken the law and advising that he denies this all happened?



Let's do some math:

Due date: August 1st
Late (1 day): August 2nd
Late (2 days): August 3rd
Late (3 days): August 4th

So his rent is... 1 day late. The tenancy agreement you're so desperately clinging to is in the tenants favour! Not only that, even if rent is 14 days late you can't evict without a court order, which requires at least 2 months of arrears -- unless you use a no fault, which will also take at least 2 months to evict.

As HarryBarry says you can probably get away with this but you have been a negligent landlord and you really need to rethink your approach to landlording if this is how you think you should be conducting your business.

Landlord hasn't removed any stuff? If he did, put it back and no evidence of an eviction. Still I never saw that post.

Landlord made an honest mistake, however it hasn't resulted in anything other than the tenant getting their rented house cleaned, while you can class it as breaking the law, it is understandable and T has suffered no loss. The other thread (in which you are following the drama queen OTT reaction and claim I berated the OP - I didn't, I made it clear my frustration was with the bad advice they got) the OP was deliberately planning something, while the landlord had certainly not bullied the OP (again, OTT). Deliberately planning to cause the LL hassle is morally worse than accidentally breaking a law.

HarryBarry

fart wrote: »

He's already broken the law. Are you a child? Your post screams of petulance. Nobody is siding with the tenant who quite clearly intended on doing one, but that's not important AT ALL. He didn't break the law. He missed a payment of his rent and without being given the chance to even offer an explanation he's had someone in his house messing with his things. LEGALLY (not morally) the tenant is 100% in the right.

If you want a sympathetic discussion rather than the honest advice that the landlord could be in deep water if the tenant decides to take this all the way, then go somewhere else.

The OP made this post ranting as if the tenant was well out of order when the tenant has actually done nothing wrong except miss a rent payment and then been totally wronged by an inept, uneducated, novice landlord.

Yawn

Totally wronged? Christ. Biggest over reaction ever. He had his house cleaned.

Tenant is not legally allowed to miss rent. There just has to be more missed before the LL can take action. Tenant is also in the wrong for planning to leave without giving notice. Doesn't sound like denied he was doing a runner.

LL, despite his wrongful rant hasn't actually done much wrong. Yet according to the replies he forcefully evicted someone and is in big trouble. He didn't. He isn't.

Despite the LL not knowing the rules, tenant is welcome to pay his rent and continue living there. He made an honest mistake which resulted in a broken law, but there is no harm done. If there is, most people accept mistakes happen and would allow LL opportunity to put right any harm (replacing missing property etc).

I have given far more honest advice than the idiots simply having a go with no advice offered. The sympathetic nature to any of my posts are because the set of circumstances which led to entering make it understandable, despite LL being ignorant of several laws.

If you think police will investigate this, you are deluded.

fart

HarryBarry wrote: »

Yawn

Totally wronged? Christ. Biggest over reaction ever. He had his house cleaned.

Tenant is not legally allowed to miss rent. There just has to be more missed before the LL can take action. Tenant is also in the wrong for planning to leave without giving notice. Doesn't sound like denied he was doing a runner.

LL, despite his wrongful rant hasn't actually done much wrong. Yet according to the replies he forcefully evicted someone and is in big trouble. He didn't. He isn't.

Despite the LL not knowing the rules, tenant is welcome to pay his rent and continue living there. He made an honest mistake which resulted in a broken law, but there is no harm done. If there is, most people accept mistakes happen and would allow LL opportunity to put right any harm (replacing missing property etc).

As you don't seem to understand the difference between being wronged LEGALLY and being wrong MORALLY i won't bother replying to your nonsensical posts. :T

fart

I have given far more honest advice than the idiots simply having a go with no advice offered. The sympathetic nature to any of my posts are because the set of circumstances which led to entering make it understandable, despite LL being ignorant of several laws.

Nope, fact is that if the tenant is a nasty sort he can do the landlord some real damage here if he plays his cards right.

If you think police will investigate this, you are deluded.

The police don't need to. It's a civil matter and it will be the courts that can decide the fate of the landlord.

Plus nobody even mentioned the police. Another instance of your ignorance i'm afraid.

HarryBarry

deannatrois wrote: »

No one is siding with the tenant.., everyone is telling the landlord what the law is and warning him he's could end up in a lot of trouble if he continues ignoring the law.

Not true, read the whole thread.

People are already saying the LL is in deep trouble and if they were the tenant they would bend him over in court. If that isn't siding with the tenant I don't know what is. Not to mention they are just wrong, despite technically breaking and entering - the LL is unlikely to get anything more than a slap on the wrist for a one off mistake.

Actually very few have told the LL what to do next, just humiliated him for not knowing it in the first place. Nice.