UKCPS Again

wright4d

Hi
We have a problem with UKCPS, my son was renting a flat in which had an allocated parking space. He does not have a car. For one weekend only he had the use of a car and parked it in the correct numbered bay for his flat. Unfortunately the parking permit had fallen from the dashboard and you guessed it the next morning he had a ticket. He just ignored the ticket since he thought I pay for the space in my flat rental so this must not be applicable to me.

We have received a demad for £100 for non payment. On the letter it says "parking without displaying a permit or authority. Now since it was his own space surely the authority is given by himself to himself. Do we just ignore this or does my wife need to write back stating she was not the driver and give his name and address at the time of the alleged parking infringement.

Any advice greatfully received

Thanks

Browntoa

its not a "parking ticket"

ignore the begging letters

Custard_Pie

wright4d wrote: »

Hi
We have a problem with UKCPS, my son was renting a flat in which had an allocated parking space. He does not have a car. For one weekend only he had the use of a car and parked it in the correct numbered bay for his flat. Unfortunately the parking permit had fallen from the dashboard and you guessed it the next morning he had a ticket. He just ignored the ticket since he thought I pay for the space in my flat rental so this must not be applicable to me.

We have received a demad for £100 for non payment. On the letter it says "parking without displaying a permit or authority. Now since it was his own space surely the authority is given by himself to himself. Do we just ignore this or does my wife need to write back stating she was not the driver and give his name and address at the time of the alleged parking infringement.

Any advice greatfully received

Thanks

As has been said, it's NOT a parking ticket. Only the police and council appointment traffic wardens can issue them. You have two options

1) Ignore them and they should go away. There is a minute chance that they could issue a summons, although that is highly unlikely

2) Write a soft appeal to them and if necessary, take it to PoPLA afterwards, were it's more than likely going to get cancelled.

They only sticking point that I can see is what's in your tenancy agreement. PPC work on the principal that a contract is formed between them and the RK and they could point to the agreement if there is a clause in it. However, they should be acceptable of a genuine error, especially if it's the first time that this has happened. I would approach them via a soft appeal in the first instance.

wright4d

Custard_Pie wrote: »

As has been said, it's NOT a parking ticket. Only the police and council appointment traffic wardens can issue them. You have two options

1) Ignore them and they should go away. There is a minute chance that they could issue a summons, although that is highly unlikely

2) Write a soft appeal to them and if necessary, take it to PoPLA afterwards, were it's more than likely going to get cancelled.

They only sticking point that I can see is what's in your tenancy agreement. PPC work on the principal that a contract is formed between them and the RK and they could point to the agreement if there is a clause in it. However, they should be acceptable of a genuine error, especially if it's the first time that this has happened. I would approach them via a soft appeal in the first instance.

Thanks, in the first instance should we just reply stating the correct driver information at the time? and then take the next step when they repsond to the correct driver.

Umkomaas

Custard_Pie wrote: »

As has been said, it's NOT a parking ticket. Only the police and council appointment traffic wardens can issue them. You have two options

1) Ignore them and they should go away. There is a minute chance that they could issue a summons, although that is highly unlikely

2) Write a soft appeal to them and if necessary, take it to PoPLA afterwards, were it's more than likely going to get cancelled.

They only sticking point that I can see is what's in your tenancy agreement. PPC work on the principal that a contract is formed between them and the RK and they could point to the agreement if there is a clause in it. However, they should be acceptable of a genuine error, especially if it's the first time that this has happened. I would approach them via a soft appeal in the first instance.

We're talking PPC here CP - they don't do sympathy, undermines their business model foundation.

But I do agree on strategy 2) above.

OP - a couple of golden rules to start.

1. Despite any urge to do otherwise NO telephone contact with PPC
2. Do NOT give the PPC any indication of who, or who might not have been the driver.

As a starter, could you please give us a timeline of events. Don't include names of the flats or town or anything that might identify your wife or son and link this thread to them - PPCs monitor the forum and can select obvious forum posters for targeted action.

We need to know date of ticket (Notice to Driver)
Date of the demand letter (Notice to Keeper)
Date the NtK was received
Did the NtK identify 'the creditor' (specifically with a statement to the effect 'the creditor is.....')

Dates are very important, and you do need to keep a log of all aspects of this case. Also keep all correspondence and envelopes (if the envelope is dated differently to the letter contained within it).

That will do for now, but you should really start to do a bit of research around the first couple of pages of this forum and Pepipoo.com to start to develop a feel for all this stuff.

Get back with the info above and we'll take it from there.

Umkomaas

wright4d wrote: »

Thanks, in the first instance should we just reply stating the correct driver information at the time? and then take the next step when they repsond to the correct driver.

NO NO NO.

There are more hurdles for the PPC to get over if they are chasing the Registered Keeper. And if they fail at any hurdle, that's it, game over for them.

The forum is not dedicated to making thing easy for PPCs.

wright4d

Umkomaas wrote: »

We're talking PPC here CP - they don't do sympathy, undermines their business model foundation.

But I do agree on strategy 2) above.

OP - a couple of golden rules to start.

1. Despite any urge to do otherwise NO telephone contact with PPC
2. Do NOT give the PPC any indication of who, or who might not have been the driver.

As a starter, could you please give us a timeline of events. Don't include names of the flats or town or anything that might identify your wife or son and link this thread to them - PPCs monitor the forum and can select obvious forum posters for targeted action.

We need to know date of ticket (Notice to Driver)
Date of the demand letter (Notice to Keeper)
Date the NtK was received
Did the NtK identify 'the creditor' (specifically with a statement to the effect 'the creditor is.....')

Dates are very important, and you do need to keep a log of all aspects of this case. Also keep all correspondence and envelopes (if the envelope is dated differently to the letter contained within it).

That will do for now, but you should really start to do a bit of research around the first couple of pages of this forum and Pepipoo.com to start to develop a feel for all this stuff.

Get back with the info above and we'll take it from there.

Surely if I use the option 2 above it will then identify the driver as you have said not to do. I will get the dates etc. tonight and post the info latger from home

Umkomaas

wright4d wrote: »

Surely if I use the option 2 above it will then identify the driver as you have said not to do. I will get the dates etc. tonight and post the info latger from home

I was referring to Custard Pie's option 2

2) Write a soft appeal to them and if necessary, take it to PoPLA afterwards, were it's more than likely going to get cancelled.

We'll help you draft a soft appeal, that will not identify the driver.

wright4d

Umkomaas wrote: »

I was referring to Custard Pie's option 2



We'll help you draft a soft appeal, that will not identify the driver.

Date of Ticket 21.06.2013 (ticket not in our possesion)
Date of demand letter 23.06.2013
Date recieved demand letter 25.07.2013
It does not state the "creditor is..." just the location.

It also says we cannot appeal since it is more than 28 days from the notice on the windscreen.

Also it says "Without a valid permit or authority" which to me means that since he has the assigned space in his tennancy agreement he automatically has authority. However since the car is in my wifes name she does not hence why I thought that if we named the driver i.e. the actual tennant this will then automatically be null and void.

My plan is to basically ignore anything else unless you advise otherwise.

Thanks

Guys_Dad

wright4d wrote: »

Date of Ticket 21.06.2013 (ticket not in our possesion)
Date of demand letter 23.06.2013
Date recieved demand letter 25.07.2013
It does not state the "creditor is..." just the location.

It also says we cannot appeal since it is more than 28 days from the notice on the windscreen.

Also it says "Without a valid permit or authority" which to me means that since he has the assigned space in his tennancy agreement he automatically has authority. However since the car is in my wifes name she does not hence why I thought that if we named the driver i.e. the actual tennant this will then automatically be null and void.

My plan is to basically ignore anything else unless you advise otherwise.

Thanks

check date in red. Should it be July?

wright4d

Apologies yes demand letter is dated July