After the Work Programme

mro

AP007 wrote: »

Yes I am never seen on time but lucky I sign at 9.30 so they aren't too behind

2 people sign boxes 1, 2, 3 & 4

I once waited 45 mins.

Would have thought your JC would have more staff to do that.

DWP were recruiting 50,000 people for Jobcentres few years ago on the DWP Recruiting thread if I remember correctly.

csmw

AP007 wrote: »

No its not fast signing.

Gotta get out of bed a lot earlier than 9.30 to get ready to get there

oh ok, thats a lot of people to be seen by just 2.

csmw

mro wrote: »

Would have thought your JC would have more staff to do that.

DWP were recruiting 50,000 people for Jobcentres few years ago on the DWP Recruiting thread if I remember correctly.

It was 4000, but there were 63,000 applicants for the posts

AP007

mro wrote: »

Would have thought your JC would have more staff to do that.

DWP were recruiting 50,000 people for Jobcentres few years ago on the DWP Recruiting thread if I remember correctly.

I have not signed with the same person in over a year and I know by just looking that a lot of the staff have gone from say 12 months ago. More of an all change than a top up of staff.

Morglin

sniggings wrote: »

this forum is for advice not opinion, if you want to talk about the rights and wrongs, then there is a discussion forum for that, senseableadvise is only here to try and make themself feel better by putting others down, a bit sad really. and as for them being a tax payer, I'm not so sure of that, he seems to have plenty time to post a load of rubbish on here, he probably is an OAP who thinks they are better than the rest of us.

But, most of this thread isn't about giving advice is it?

It moved on from that weeks ago.

It's full of arguments to and fro about how many days in a week there are, whether JCP advisors have a hidden agenda, how to avoid ticking boxes, how useless WP's are etc., etc.,

They might all be true, but it isn't advice.

CSMW is obviously and advisor that knows/understands the system - yet s/he gets accused of being a troll etc., when the advice is actually correct!

Others have given advice about ways to find work, and how to appeal etc.,

Well, I'll give you some advice - having worked for the DWP for a number of years, and more recently having had to claim ESA, I can "advise" you that you cannot buck the system - advisors and claimants HAVE to abide by the rules laid down by Parliament, and the current thinking is that unemployed will spend their days doing things that government want them to do, useless or not. :wall:

Anyone on any benefits/tax credits is getting money from the state, and, on that basis, they have to do what the benefits agencies tell them to do - it's that simple.

If you don't want to play their game, then sign off and find another way to get an income. That's what I'd have to do if I got fed up with having to deal with ATOS re ESA.

I have full sympathy with people having to go on nonsense courses, and deal with WP's, who cannot do much at all, but endless moaning and trying to find a way around the rules is as fruitless as trying to knit jelly - you won't succeed!

Lin

Chester666666

csmw wrote: »

I addressed it by saying when given advice from actual advisors people chose to ignore. as you just did

Where exactly are we forcing labour??????

And the media always tell the truth do they?

Is English your first language? Forcing people to work is forced labour.
There's been no advice recently as it all ses to be attacks on one poster and lies about how people are moaning and trying to cheat the system yet the only cheats are the jobcentre staff who drive people to ask questions on forums like this, if they played by the rules then there wouldn't be so many wondering what the rules are, the media can be spun to an agenda but that doesn't mean that every news report is untrue

Morglin

It is not 'forced labour' as the claimant has a choice as to whether they wish to take part.

There is no rule against them closing their claim and not doing a thing - but the government have decided (and my view is that community work is fine, Poundland isn't), that, if people want to receive x amount in JSA, they will have to 'earn' it.

I do think that it should be topped up to NMW, but it won't be, so that's how it is.

If a claimant is not working on one of these placements, then the government has decided, if they wish to claim JSA, then they must take part in work programmes, frequently, so they are doing something/anything.

Obviously, the aim is to make it a hassle, the idea being that people will sign off quicker.

If JCP staff break the rules, then there are systems in place to make a formal complaint, and people should use them instead of just moaning to each other - that is the only way to change things.

I am no fan of the government, and resent the money wasted on WP's that don't help anyone, but blaming an advisor, on a forum, will achieve nothing.

CSMW has given good advice, which has all been 'shouted down'.
Lin

Chester666666

An option where you either starve or take part is far from being a good choice and it's forced as per definition
You can't say no hence it's forced
Talking to either of the jobcentre staff is like talking to a spin doctor which is why it feels like you really don't understand English

csmw

Chester666666 wrote: »

Is English your first language? Forcing people to work is forced labour.
There's been no advice recently as it all ses to be attacks on one poster and lies about how people are moaning and trying to cheat the system yet the only cheats are the jobcentre staff who drive people to ask questions on forums like this, if they played by the rules then there wouldn't be so many wondering what the rules are, the media can be spun to an agenda but that doesn't mean that every news report is untrue

If you are just going to insult then I suggest you don't comment on my posts.

You are not forced to sign on.. isn't the point you're claiming jsa is to get a job , we are not forcing you to sign on you have a choice, you also have a choice to get up off your butt and do some job search instead of spending all day complaining on here about thing you clearly have no understanding of.

Chester666666

csmw wrote: »

If you are just going to insult then I suggest you don't comment on my posts.

You are not forced to sign on.. isn't the point you're claiming jsa is to get a job , we are not forcing you to sign on you have a choice, you also have a choice to get up off your butt and do some job search instead of spending all day complaining on here about thing you clearly have no understanding of.

You are another one who thinks foruming equals complaining, without researching peoples rights do you seriously believe that the jobcentre would tell people what their rights are? I have an understanding but I can also see why people use these forums to research their rights under the law via FOI etc
Do you seriously expect people to starve? Is that really what you claim choice is? Between the devil and the dark blue sea