After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

What's their contracted hours got to do with your responsibility to seek work every day?

Interesting how you turn your job seeking responsibilities into a perception that someone else should do something. Interesting how you interpret every as mon-fri.

When you get a job you'll be able to have the employers specified non contracted days off which may include weekends.

i feel like i am talking to a 2 year old. its very simple, if people must jobsearch 7 days per week then that service that supports them must be available 7 days per week.
another thing you missed is if its an essential requirement to qualify for jsa that you jobsearch 7 days per week then why do the majority not have that required of them?

Chester666666

Morglin wrote: »

No, but they (as taxpayers) are footing the bills, both for the benefits, and the WP's, so if things aren't actually getting people into some sort of work, then it is of concern to both users of the services and everyone else.

That was the point of them!

Lin

Point they push is to blame the unemployed for the WPs failings and the jobcentre failings and to say that the unemployed should not hsve a life whilst being unemployed as it distracts them

Morglin

stix62 wrote: »

True, but then shouldn't they be looking at 'the system' too and not just blaming job seekers.
It all seems very one sided from their point of view.

I agree, but as the government hold the purse strings, with benefits, they set the rules, fair or not.

There appears to be an ethos now of making sure that those unemployed are doing something, anything for their benefits, and although it is harsh, it won't change now.

I just dish that the WP's were working better than they are, as it all seems a huge waste of money.

Lin )

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Even on a 5 day week*and taking account of 8 days statutory holidays* that leaves 70 days for sick and funerals pa.

Another gem from that negative mindset of yours.

*which you're not

i am not talking about a 5 day week. i am talking about them requiring a 7 day week and it does not say except statutory holidays either. it simply says everyday and nothing else.

red_devil

Morglin wrote: »

No, but they (as taxpayers) are footing the bills, both for the benefits, and the WP's, so if things aren't actually getting people into some sort of work, then it is of concern to both users of the services and everyone else.

That was the point of them!

Lin

Ok, but they are coming across as benefit bashers, this is supposed to be for people unemployed currently battling the awful system.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Of course you conveniently miss where you perceive 'every day' means mon-fri. DWP advisor has already said every day means 7 days.

no i said it can mean monday to friday. my adviser did not say that it is 7 days and as far as i am aware they havent posted here. what one person percieves may not be the same as what another one does.

Morglin

Yeah, well, unhappily, these threads often end up that way.

I take the middle ground - I think that the fit should work, but I also think that what is needed is more proper jobs, and less useless WP's.

But, until the economy really changes (and not just in the government's
own minds!), then it is pointless making the lives of job seekers a misery.

And, they should stop handing out these expensive contracts to these duff WP's.

Lin

donnajunkie

sniggings wrote: »

you can refuse to work on a Sunday so they do not mean 7 days at all.

it means it is possible like i said that they may not mean 7 days. however they could be taking liberties and mean 7 days even though like you say they shouldnt.

AP007

Morglin wrote: »

Yeah, well, unhappily, these threads often end up that way.

I take the middle ground - I think that the fit should work, but I also think that what is needed is more proper jobs, and less useless WP's.

But, until the economy really changes (and not just in the government's
own minds!), then it is pointless making the lives of job seekers a misery.

And, they should stop handing out these expensive contracts to these duff WP's.

Lin

The fit do want to work but the WP have no power to get anyone an interview. Throwing ££ out the window it is.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Interesting how you're making the argument assuming people don't have internet access. Whilst that may be true for a minority I suspect the majority do have access as is evident by their postings on here. They could easily be job searching over the weekend instead of posting endless excuses why they can't.

when on any course and the group is asked who has the net at home the majority always say no. i am the only person on my voluntary work that has the net at home.
all people should be treated the same. it is unfair to expect more of one person than another. yes it enables me to do more and i do do more but to make it a legal requirement is what is wrong.