ANPR LTD Parking Ticket

tomb1991

Hi All,

I recieved a parking 'fine' from the above mentioned company back in April and as suggested on here I ignored the ticket I was issued with. I had parked in a car park which I have done 10's of times previous to go for a meal in the restaurant near by. Never had I had any issues or recieved any tickets. The restaurant even encouraged parking there - I have noticed since that the restaurant have stated the car park has now been 'took over' (not purchased) by a 'new company' and the restaurant asks customers to display a note obtained from them to avoid such charges. Something which I have done since and recieved no 'tickets'.

The car in question was mine although my Mother was the registered keeper until the start of June. I have since sold the car. (Thought I'd add this in incase it makes any difference to the case).

My Mum started to recieve letters around 3 months ago and has today recieved a supposed 'court summons' which she described as a dosier complete with pictures of the car. I've been telling my Mum the whole time to ignore the letters and she has done so until recieving the 'court summons' today. She is obviously worried as it is her name.

I just wanted to know if I should continue to ignore the letters or does anyone suggest any course of action? This is more for my Mother's piece of mind that mine purely because it is in her name. If It was in mine I would continue to ignore it as I have been doing!

Many thanks.

Tom.

Umkomaas

I can't somehow see ANPR Ltd doing court. More likely dressing some correspondence up as though it is a court paper.

However, just to be sure, can you scan and post up a copy of the document(s) your Mum has received purportedly coming from the court?

If, ultimately, they are real court papers, then they must not be ignored, but don't worry we will help you through it.

First off, let's see the document(s).

tomb1991

Thanks for your quick reply..

I'll post the paperwork I've recieved when I'm home from work this evening. Like I say, I'm sure it isn't a real court correspondance, and is, like you said a dressed up document. I just want some assistance in what to do next, because I don't want my Mum worrying about it!

I think I've had 3 previous letters and now this document with images of the car stating they would cease all action if they recieved £170.

Again, many thanks!

Umkomaas

tomb1991 wrote: »

Thanks for your quick reply..

I'll post the paperwork I've recieved when I'm home from work this evening. Like I say, I'm sure it isn't a real court correspondance, and is, like you said a dressed up document. I just want some assistance in what to do next, because I don't want my Mum worrying about it!

I think I've had 3 previous letters and now this document with images of the car stating they would cease all action if they recieved £170.

Again, many thanks!

Isn't that so thoughtful of them :rotfl:

This outfit really are in a different league to the rest of the pack. In football terms they are the equivalent of a Conference League side doomed to relegation (even though the football season hasn't started yet ).

tomb1991

I failed to mention that it was apparently a 'permit holders only' area. There is no means for paying to park. The restaurant in question must have some form of deal with the land owner/parking company in order to allow free parking should a token be displayed.

tomb1991

Right then!...

I received a very fancy pack that they have made up, with copies of letters they have sent, certificates of licenses they have and pictures of the car. The pictures of the car only show the vehicle, you can't see where it is located as it is pitch black and the car only lights up due to the flash from the camera!

I also received a N1 claim form stating I owe £175. There is no claim number on it or issue date. The final cover letter is from H&S litigation services. They would appreciate me 'dropping them a line' to offer reasons why they should not proceed.

How should I challenge this within the 14 day period I have, as from experience I'm sure it won't end up in court, but this is a worry in the back of my mind!

I'll attach the documents tomorrow when I have access to a scanner at work.

Look forward to hearing from anyone,

Tom.

zzzLazyDaisy

Okay, I am not going to advise you how to deal with this latest letter from the debt collectors - I'll leave that to the more experienced posters.

What I will say, though, is that an N1 without a number or stamp is almost certainly a spoof court claim, sent with the deliberate intention of harassing you into paying the sum demanded. *IF* this case were later to go to court, the court would take a dim view of this tactic.

I suggest that you take a look at this thread which sets out all the steps the Claimant must take BEFORE starting proceedings.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4705657

The Claimant is the landowner OR the private parking company, IF they have a contract with the landowner giving them authority to act as the landowner's agent in taking legal action against you on behalf of the landowner.

As far as I know APNR don't have a history of going to court on these parking charges, but that is no reason to get complacent - especially as some other - particularly ParkingEye, are starting court proceedings like there is no tomorrow.

My own view would be to hit back hard at them, call their bluff, refer them to the Practice Direction on Pre-action Conduct, threaten to bring this matter to the attention of the court, and suggest that they return the papers to their client.

BUT BUT BUT ......

I am coming at this from the point of a lawyer who gets involved in the litigation aspect of these things. It may well be that the best approach is STILL to keep quiet and ignore.... so I'll let someone more experienced with the debt collection side of things advise you about that.

Daisy

Umkomaas

If these are spoof papers then they have to be reported to the BPA and the DVLA - is this not tantamount to fraud?

Surely this must cost ANPR some BPA sanction points?

zzzLazyDaisy

Umkomaas wrote: »

If these are spoof papers then they have to be reported to the BPA and the DVLA - is this not tantamount to fraud?

Surely this must cost ANPR some BPA sanction points?

People like this normally get round this by saying something in the covering letter like 'this is an example of the court papers that will be served on you if you do not pay the debt' or something along those lines. So it may depend on what, exactly they have said in the covering letter.

Also the debt collectors are not members of the BPA, so I guess it would depend on whether BPA take the view that there is a close enough link between APNR and the debt collectors to the extent that APNR can be held accountable for the debt collectors actions (do we know if the debt collectors and APNR are in fact the same outfit?)

The_Slithy_Tove

If your mother is getting worried about these at all (she shouldn't), she could always now name you as the driver, and they should (ha, ha) then send you a Notice to Driver and the whole clock resets, allowing you to appeal and take it to POPLA.

If you do so, you will have to be very clear (quote the sections from PoFA) that you can name the driver at any point prior to commencement of legal procedings, and they MUST at that point stop chasing the keeper.

Orrin

Sending out the N1 like that is a tactic used to intimidate you into paying.

H&S Litigation Services Ltd was only formed in May and uses a registered office service as their address so likely they are just another fake debt collector company used by the PPC to ramp up the threat level.

I wouldn't worry though, given that the "conduct of litigation" is a reserved legal activity under the Legal Services Act 2007 it's difficult to see what kind of litigation services they can provide

Of course if they are a genuine law firm (yeah right!) I take it all back.

Either way a complaint to the Legal Services Board and/or SRA might be in order.

ETA:
I thought the name was familiar but I'd forgotten these were the jokers that sent out a fake card when someone kept returning their letters unopened. One of the directors works for ANPR so the whole thing is bogus.