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arizonawolf

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Gloomendoom

Because the French had more foresight and better integrated their overseas territories with mainland France?

**professor~yaffle**

arizonawolf wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

- Citizens of UK Overseas Territories (places like Bermuda, Cayman Islands, etc), are freely allowed to hop on a plane and come to mainland UK to work and stay permanently, no problem and no questions asked

- Citizens of the UK mainland are NOT freely allowed to go to any of these Overseas Territories, instead they must jump through endless hoops regarding work visas, permits, employer sponsorships, government fees, etc

Why the one-way relationship? :mad:

It seems ridiculous that, as a UK citizen, I am freely allowed to go to French Guiana but not a UK Overseas territory.

which territory did you want to go to?

k12479

It may be to protect their local workforce, the Caribbean has little resources, industry, etc. and probably quite high-ish unemployment. I can imagine a lot of people in the UK would be happy to move there and take low/mid-level jobs whether temporarily or as semi-retirement jobs. That could be quite devastating for the local jobs.

opinions4u

arizonawolf wrote: »

I respectfully disagree.

There was nothing respectful about the way you just chose to disagree.

k12479

arizonawolf wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. I'm a member of No Borders UK, we believe all humans have the right to travel and relocate if they so please. You have a typical anti-immigrant attitude.. sad how much you cherish artificial borders.

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I'm actually pro-immigration, if it's for the right reasons.

I'm also writing from the US where I'm employed by a foreign company who value the skills I have sufficiently that they paid a lot of money on immigration costs to get me here and pay me more than they would pay locals, because I bring those skills to the country and the company that they struggle to get domestically.

What would you bring to the Turks & Caicos that they need? Are you an expert in tropical diseases? An expert in international tax law? Or are you looking for bar work?

Governments are supposed to look after the interests of their citizens, not the desire for foreign citizens to live in tropical paradises. If you are beneficial to the country they would let you in easily, if you're not, they wouldn't. Employer sponsorship is a good way of doing this because if the person in needed, the company will pay to get them there, if they are not needed, they won't.

Looking at No Borders UK, there's a lot of discussion about freedom of movement, very little about the practicalities or the consequences of it.

Doshwaster

arizonawolf wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. I'm a member of No Borders UK, we believe all humans have the right to travel and relocate if they so please. You have a typical anti-immigrant attitude.. sad how much you cherish artificial borders.

It's not anti-immigrant at all, it's about protecting small and fragile communities. I'm pro-migration - the benefits brought by free movement of people outweighs the problems it can cause but there have to be limits. The people of Turks and Caicos are welcome in Europe as there as so few of them but you can't have a situation where the whole population of the EU has the right to move to a small island.

Free movement for all sounds fine and hippy but it just cannot work in the real world.

Doshwaster

arizonawolf wrote: »

No ifs, no buts - freedom of travel is a fundamental human right.

So why do British Airways charge me for a ticket if I have the right to "freedom of travel"?

arizonawolf wrote: »

Free movement is the natural state of the world. No borders, no regulations. No bureaucrats or soldiers standing at their imaginary lines on the ground saying "you can't come in here". Thankfully with entities such as the EU and other economic agreements elsewhere in the world we are becoming freer and freer to go where we desire.

Fine - so do you mind if my entire family come to live in your garden?

k12479

arizonawolf wrote: »

...how about we get back on track?

Lets. So, again, what is that you would bring to the Turks and Caicos?

k12479

So, clearly you bring nothing of any value, just deluded, idealistic views on 'free movement' and 'fundamental human rights'.

bagand96

arizonawolf wrote: »

Anyway, thread has been thoroughly derailed by the anti-immigrant brigade, how about we get back on track?

Derailed? Hardly. I think it's you that has an agenda to push and anyone that tries to engage with you is labelled "anti-immigration"