a question on nhs pay bands

pauletruth

the wife has two part time contracts she is at the top of band 5 for one and for some reason a £1000 less on the other. does that make sense as she should be on the same pay band.

anamenottaken

Are the jobs the same and for the same employer?

ohreally

Progression up the band relies on time in post (and gateway progression).

AP007

pauletruth wrote: »

the wife has two part time contracts she is at the top of band 5 for one and for some reason a £1000 less on the other. does that make sense as she should be on the same pay band.

I am guessing no as they are not the same job so as you say she has 2 part time contracts

t0rt0ise

It depends whether the jobs are the same type and when she started them. It may be that when she started the second they put her up a point which is usual. If the jobs aren't the same then they would be treated totally separately. If she's on the 'bank' or with an agency that would also be separately treated.

kitrat

cerowe wrote: »

Different jobs will have different contracts with their own set of pay and conditions. They will not be related in any way.

This. You get paid according to which job you are doing, all the jobs are banded and you get paid accordingly.

For instance I am a band 5 lab scientist, I get paid a band 5 wage. But if I took on a second job as a healthcare assistant which is advertised at band 2, then for that job I get paid at band 2. So the pay relates to which job I'm doing.

t0rt0ise

kitrat wrote: »

This. You get paid according to which job you are doing, all the jobs are banded and you get paid accordingly.

For instance I am a band 5 lab scientist, I get paid a band 5 wage. But if I took on a second job as a healthcare assistant which is advertised at band 2, then for that job I get paid at band 2. So the pay relates to which job I'm doing.

Yes, but the OP hasn't said that the two jobs are totally different. If she is working as, say, a band 5 nurse at both then it is likely that when getting one job they would take the experience of the other into consideration when deciding starting point. In fact it would be unusual to have someone drop a point on taking up a new post. It's the same with holiday entitlement. I worked in the NHS thirty years ago but the four years I did then are taken into account for annual leave allowance now.

Kayalana99

I don't know if this will help or is even relvant but will say it anyway.

My mum was a band 1 (not acatally sure how bands work so this is examples only!! also assume band 1 is high and 5 is low )

She went and applyed for a midwife so was put down to band 3.

Over time she went back to band 1 as a midwife.

Now has found out that because she was on band 1 to begin with even though it was a dif sector she was still entitled to be on band 1 with the midwife job.

= She got back payment of about £3000.

anamenottaken

Kayalana99 wrote: »

I don't know if this will help or is even relvant but will say it anyway.

My mum was a band 1 (not acatally sure how bands work so this is examples only!! also assume band 1 is high and 5 is low )

She went and applyed for a midwife so was put down to band 3.

Over time she went back to band 1 as a midwife.

Now has found out that because she was on band 1 to begin with even though it was a dif sector she was still entitled to be on band 1 with the midwife job.

= She got back payment of about £3000.

You may have misunderstood your mum's work.

Bands start at 1 for the lowest paid and progress to Band 8d. She could not have been on Band 1 as a midwife and I doubt that any qualified midwives are Band 3 if they are employed as midwives.

Unless she had a senior managerial role, it is also unlikely that there would be a two band difference.

Bands are applied to jobs, not to the individual in them. People are paid for the job that is required of them, not what they may have been earning in a different job.

However the pay points within bands are something which may stay with the individual, as long as the new job is in the same band and the role is similar - because it is rewarding experience in the role. So having progressed to the third spinal pay point in one job and moving to a similar role in another trust may have meant a two spinal point drop (to the starting point) and it is this drop which may have been picked up later so that the pay point would go up.

What does transfer from one job to another is "length of service in the NHS" which affects calculation of holiday entitlement and pension.

pauletruth

sorry for being not clear the wife works as a band 5 staff nurse in acute medicine for 2/3 of her working week. the other 1/3 she works as a community nurse same band same employer. she is at the top of band 5 on the acute medicine and a grand less on the community.

nimbo

It will be to do with her start date in each contract.

your increment date is the date your employment starts - so on the first anniversary you will go up to the second notch on the scale, the 2nd year the third pay point... (and so on until you get to the top of the payscale - where you will stay until you apply and get a job on the next band)...

for the second part time job she will have been put back to the bottom of the pay scale - as is standard for jobs within the NHS - UNLESS it was specifically negotiated that she would be put on x notch in the scale.... It sounds as though the negotiation about where on the scale she wanted to start either didn't happen - or wasn't followed through...

If she had the conversation then she should chase this, as it would have been part of her in writing job offer.... If she didn't then she probably doesn't have a leg to stand on, as I know when I was down a grade I had to fight for the right to not start at the bottom the the grade below me's pay scale...

Hope this helps.