UK needs +7 Million immigrants to keep debt down

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Resulting in London starting in Brighton and ending in Luton........

The Judge Dredd Mega City One scenario.

It's entirely possible. You'd only have to turn London into a Mexico city in terms of size. High rise builds could accommodate all the key workers I guess.

TruckerT

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yes.

With zero net migration debt soars off the charts and the country collapses economically under the burden of aged care.

With an extra 7m people debt grows to 100% of GDP, but it's just about manageable.

With an extra 14m people debt falls to 40% of GDP, and the country prospers.

Hamish, can you guarantee to be able to offer work to all these immigrants?

According to Antrobus, the OBR report used a notional NAURI figure of unemployment, with no means at all of providing any kind of certainty about the figure. In other words, they guessed.

TruckerT

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

The Judge Dredd Mega City One scenario.

:rotfl:

Hardly....

London is 35 miles wide by 27 miles long at the moment.

To maintain a similar population density as exists today, you would only need to add another 5.5 miles around London to accommodate the full 7 million people.

If you went vertical, you could do it with 1 mile.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TruckerT wrote: »

Hamish, can you guarantee to be able to offer work to all these immigrants?

:wall:

According to Antrobus, the OBR report used a notional NAURI figure of unemployment, with no means at all of providing any kind of certainty about the figure. In other words, they guessed.

So nobody should ever use calculated estimates based on best available data and to an established high degree of accuracy.....

But rather wait for 100% guarantees, by which time it's too late to avoid catastrophe?

I think not.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Better get building then.... As the people are coming.

There simply is no other viable option.

I thought they werent? This was part of your reasoning that UKIP are so wrong....that the immigrants aren't coming em masse. Now you say they are.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I thought they werent? This was part of your reasoning that UKIP are so wrong....that the immigrants aren't coming em masse. Now you say they are.

140K a year is far too low, and still results in the national debt increasing to 100% of GDP, but it's the OBR's central projection.

Compared to the last few years of 250K a year, it's pathetically low, and we'll pay the price for this government pandering to UKIP as the national debt will be twice what is would be with higher migration.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

140K a year is far too low, and still results in the national debt increasing to 100% of GDP, but it's the OBR's central projection.

Compared to the last few years of 250K a year, it's pathetically low, and we'll pay the price for this government pandering to UKIP as the national debt will be twice what is would be with higher migration.

That has nothing to do what what I said.

You stated that millions of immigrants will be coming. Yet in UKIP threads you claim UKIP are wrong and millions of immigrants won't come.

Just wondering which it is?

cotleigh

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Could never be done.

Equal rights simply wouldn't allow it. For good reason to, it's outright exploitation.

Germany did this "guest workers" thing for ages. They may still do it, for all I know.

Loads of Turks went to what was then West Germany to work, as "gastarbeiter" - so they did not become German citizens, they just had the right to live in Germany for a limited period while they worked there.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That has nothing to do what what I said.

You stated that millions of immigrants will be coming. Yet in UKIP threads you claim UKIP are wrong and millions of immigrants won't come.

Just wondering which it is?

Ah.... I see what you're muddling on about now.

You're trying to claim I said we wouldn't ever have millions of immigrants. Which is nonsense.

What I actually said was that UKIP lied when they tried to mislead the public into thinking several million Romanians and Bulgarians would descend on the UK next year.

When the actual figure is more likely to be a few tens of thousands.:)

grizzly1911

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

it's pathetically low, and we'll pay the price for this government .

Sounds like one of your housebuilding rants.