Childrens diet...

angelil

VestanPance wrote: »

This is factually incorrect.

Meat as well as being a fantastic source of protein triggers responses in the body that prevent the snacking hunger feelings many get, particularly with high carb diets that most people eat in the west today.

Animal fats are actually very good for you, despite what the marketing from the grain industry has been selling people for years. They don't make you fat. What will make you fat is a carb heavy diet unless you're athletic and do cardio sports such as running/cycling/swimming etc on a very regular basis.

What people should be eating is lots of meat, fish and low carb vegetables and limited amounts of high carb items such as cereal, rice, pasta, couscous and bread. People should also be eating full-fat products, as they are actually healthier than low fat alternatives that pad out the flavouring by being high in processed sugars.

Fruit juice is something that should be avoided too, as it's horrifically high in sugar (fructose).

Scientific research backs up that for most of the western population the most efficient and healthy diet would be something close to the Paleo diet. The obesity epidemic in the west funnily enough coincides with our increased intake of grain based products.

*sigh*

I never said meat makes you fat. You have made this up.
The effects of eating red meat too frequently are well-documented. I'll let you do your own research on that one.

In fairness, though, the OP only mentioned a white meat (chicken). Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that at ethically it is better to eat high-quality meat less frequently rather than eating poor-quality meat every day. The lower-quality meat is also more likely to be pumped with chemicals and be damaging to our health, in addition to the risks posed by eating too much red meat.

I personally also found that while vegetarian I had far more energy and was slimmer than when on a diet including meat (I've only gone back to eating it as I've moved to France, where being vegetarian is basically impossible, especially when eating out. I still eat a mostly vegetarian diet when at home.). But I'm guessing you wouldn't know about that.

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VestanPance wrote: »

This is factually incorrect.

Meat as well as being a fantastic source of protein triggers responses in the body that prevent the snacking hunger feelings many get, particularly with high carb diets that most people eat in the west today.

Animal fats are actually very good for you, despite what the marketing from the grain industry has been selling people for years. They don't make you fat. What will make you fat is a carb heavy diet unless you're athletic and do cardio sports such as running/cycling/swimming etc on a very regular basis.

What people should be eating is lots of meat, fish and low carb vegetables and limited amounts of high carb items such as cereal, rice, pasta, couscous and bread. People should also be eating full-fat products, as they are actually healthier than low fat alternatives that pad out the flavouring by being high in processed sugars.

Fruit juice is something that should be avoided too, as it's horrifically high in sugar (fructose).

Scientific research backs up that for most of the western population the most efficient and healthy diet would be something close to the Paleo diet. The obesity epidemic in the west funnily enough coincides with our increased intake of grain based products.

If I could thank this twice, I would

I eat meat twice a day, very little refined sugar/potatoes, and no oats, white rice, bread or pasta - and I'm healthier than I was ten years ago I eat more fruit and vegetables and cook from scratch.

I can't say I'm super-mega-healthy - I made chilli with tortilla chips last night for example - but that's an exception rather than a rule.

Carb-heavy processed foods and hidden sugars are a massive problem these days, along with lack of exercise.

HBS x

VestanPance

angelil wrote: »

I never said meat makes you fat. You have made this up.
The effects of eating red meat too frequently are well-documented. I'll let you do your own research on that one.

In fairness, though, the OP only mentioned a white meat (chicken). Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that at ethically it is better to eat high-quality meat less frequently rather than eating poor-quality meat every day. The lower-quality meat is also more likely to be pumped with chemicals and be damaging to our health, in addition to the risks posed by eating too much red meat.

I personally also found that while vegetarian I had far more energy and was slimmer than when on a diet including meat (I've only gone back to eating it as I've moved to France, where being vegetarian is basically impossible, especially when eating out. I still eat a mostly vegetarian diet when at home.). But I'm guessing you wouldn't know about that.

No you said there was too much meat in the diet, which there isn't. Not by a long shot. Plus meat is not equal to red meat. You need a balance of both.

The trouble with western diets is too many carbs. Also when going healthy we tend to go for sugar based fruit, rather than vegetables.

Also dropping carbs to a high protein based diet scientific has been proven to increase energy levels. That's scientific research, not baseless like your comment.

You can hardly blame people. They've been market food stupidity for years. They still are with things like five a day.

VestanPance

herand wrote: »

One should also consider the ethics of their diet and a meat containing diet will never be ethical. You don't need animal products to be healthy and sated.

It's ethical if you consider farm animals fuel/food, which I do.

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And ensure you source your meat ethically. Which I do.

HBS x

MarilynMonroe_2

I wouldn't say it was especially bad, no.
It's also not super super healthy either - but strikes me as inbetween.

Any

herand wrote: »

Ethical meat, that doesn't exist.

Sorry, that is very arguable. It is your idea of ethics, definitely not mine!!
Stronger eat weaker, it has always been like that in nature and it will always be like that in nature. When animal eat each other they don't care about your ethics either.
I don't want to get into argument about vegetarianism or veganism, but the fact is that what you call ethical in this case is not an actual definition of ethics.
We might question where it comes from, how it is bred or hunted, and whether we eat too much of it, but I will not be sold your ethic just on the basis that human diet contains often meat.
Sorry.

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herand wrote: »

Ethical meat, that doesn't exist.

Tell a lion that.

AFAIC, I buy good-quality meat that has been treated well and slaughtered humanely, and free-range eggs. That suits my diet and ethics.

And yes, I would kill and prepare my own meat if I had to.

HBS x

Gigervamp

VestanPance wrote: »

Meat as well as being a fantastic source of protein triggers responses in the body that prevent the snacking hunger feelings many get, particularly with high carb diets that most people eat in the west today.

Sorry, going to have to disagree with this. I've been a veggie for 38 years and I rarely feel the need to snack, yet all the rest of my family (who are meat eaters) do snack. Crisps, biscuits, cakes etc.

The only one who is a bit overweight is my husband, but then he does like to snack on meat based food such as pork pies and scotch eggs.

Lagoon

Gigervamp wrote: »

Sorry, going to have to disagree with this. I've been a veggie for 38 years and I rarely feel the need to snack, yet all the rest of my family (who are meat eaters) do snack. Crisps, biscuits, cakes etc.

The only one who is a bit overweight is my husband, but then he does like to snack on meat based food such as pork pies and scotch eggs.

And you're blaming the (limited amount of) pork in the pork pie for him being overweight?

That's not 'meat-based food' - it's processed rubbish.

I'm not one to judge a vegetarian diet - go ahead - but to argue that meat is making your husband overweight because he eats pork pies is getting a bit silly.

OP, I certainly wouldn't aim to feed a child that many processed goods, and like others I'm hoping that food isn't ALL consumed in one day, but it could be worse. Just watch out for that 'it's what most people in the UK eat' argument. That doesn't mean it's good!