Have we got ourselves in a mess already? Two bed flatshare - one name on contract

Angelicdevil

Idiophreak wrote: »

I know....shocking...I can remember people being shocked when I was a computer science graduate but still couldn't fix their computer...

:rotfl: that happens to me all the time (computer systems engineering) but I still know the basics and can use my logic to deduce things...

OP, good luck with sorting out the tenancy agreement, hopefully it can be resolved in a fashion that works out well for you.

Werdnal

I think the problem is that early on OP was given very good valid advice on their situation, but still seemed to miss the point and dispute what they were being told. People then lose interest and either start being silly, or get exasperated with having to go over same ground again.

Not helped by OP's petty comment about the "English speaking" agents which got them off on the wrong foot.

I have always dealt with "English speaking" agents, andbelieve me, that don't make them any more proficient than any others!

OP, this is public site, with many and varied members, some who give very good measured advice; some waffle through their reply and don't really understand the question; some spoil for a fight at every opportunity and some pile into a thread which is going OTT just to add fuel to the fire ... light blue touch paper and all that! Its a bit like life really, and the many and varied characters you will no doubt encounter in your career in law are all here - put it down to an introduction to the "real world" ...

Has your friend contacted the agents about the tenancy yet?

SnooksNJ

helpmeimagraduate wrote: »

Oh for christ's sake get over yourself. What exactly is your problem with me? YES, WE DO PROPERTY LAW DURING A LAW DEGREE. GET OVER IT. Believe it or not but a law degree is not the Legal Practice Course, it's an academic degree. A law degree is not 'training you up' for practice in any sense and you most certainly do not learn about the minutiae of different tenancy agreements. A property law module will take you through such pleasures as our registered and unregistered land systems, leasehold and freehold covenants, easements, leases and academic study of the conenction between human rights and land law. You will also have to answer essay questions on controversial areas of law. I'm having trouble believing that you actually studied law at undergraduate level because you seem very disconnected from what a law degree entails. And I KNOW the difference between a tenant and a subtenant - I'm not an idiot. I NEVER said I didn't know the difference, I said I wasn't sure whether I was a lodger or a subtenant. Again - I am not a qualified lawyer, a law degree is not a vocational qualification (it's much like any other social science degree) I haven't even done the LPC and I think you're being really harsh to be honest and need to get off your high horse.

P.S. I got a first in both land and contract law and a high 2:1 overall in my degree from Bristol. You were saying?

You could be right. I wasn't born in England so I'm not that reputable but I took Business Law as an elective at my University and I know more about UK Law than someone I know with a Law degree from a University in the UK.

helpmeimagraduate

Werdnal wrote: »

I think the problem is that early on OP was given very good valid advice on their situation, but still seemed to miss the point and dispute what they were being told. People then lose interest and either start being silly, or get exasperated with having to go over same ground again.

Not helped by OP's petty comment about the "English speaking" agents which got them off on the wrong foot.

I have always dealt with "English speaking" agents, andbelieve me, that don't make them any more proficient than any others!

OP, this is public site, with many and varied members, some who give very good measured advice; some waffle through their reply and don't really understand the question; some spoil for a fight at every opportunity and some pile into a thread which is going OTT just to add fuel to the fire ... light blue touch paper and all that! Its a bit like life really, and the many and varied characters you will no doubt encounter in your career in law are all here - put it down to an introduction to the "real world" ...

Has your friend contacted the agents about the tenancy yet?

I already said on the first page that I worded that very unfortunately and what I had tried to convey was that the agents seemed very established. I didn't mean anything offensive or disrespectful by that at all and I am really sorry

My friend contacted the LAs and they are checking and will get back to her. I really hope they can add me name, is that all that is needed? If they say no, would it be okay for me to call the LAs myself and explain what is concerning me and ask them why they are refusing to allow two names on there?

Werdnal

helpmeimagraduate wrote: »

If they say no, would it be okay for me to call the LAs myself and explain what is concerning me and ask them why they are refusing to allow two names on there?

As I and several others have said already, if the tenancy agreement is signed and not in your name, I doubt they would even discuss it with you as its not yours!

helpmeimagraduate

Werdnal wrote: »

As I and several others have said already, if the tenancy agreement is signed and not in your name, I doubt they would even discuss it with you as its not yours!

But I was sitting there in front of them with my friend. They watched her sign it in front of me. They couldn't just pretend I don't exist?

JuicyJesus

helpmeimagraduate wrote: »

I already said on the first page that I worded that very unfortunately and what I had tried to convey was that the agents seemed very established.

So "English people working there" = "very established". So presumably if the people working there were NOT English, you would have taken the opposite view?

There's not really any way that you can excuse that as "unfortunate wording". There was a clear implication that an agent staffed by people who aren't English are somehow incompetent or shoddy.

EDIT: Just seen this on LLZ:

Oh and P.S. No, it wouldn't have made much difference, but I do feel more trusting if I am dealing with English people. Nothing discriminatory at all but there is so much bad press about foreign scammers.

So basically you find foreign people untrustworthy because they are foreign. So, not discriminatory at all then.

Sorry, that is just out-and-out racism. Not even by implication, it's directly saying "I believe that people who are not English are worse people than English people." The fact someone can be educated but still believe such utter racist sh*te is terrifying.

camptownraces

JuicyJesus wrote: »

So "English people working there" = "very established". So presumably if the people working there were NOT English, you would have taken the opposite view?

There's not really any way that you can excuse that as "unfortunate wording". There was a clear implication that an agent staffed by people who aren't English are somehow incompetent or shoddy.

EDIT: Just seen this on LLZ:



So basically you find foreign people untrustworthy because they are foreign. So, not discriminatory at all then.

No. The implication is that the "English" are more likely to be familiar with the law of England and Wales.

This isn't actually proven, since there are so many letting agency staff, of all kinds of backgrounds, who know nothing about Landlord and Tenant Law.

But it's an understandable assumption.

JuicyJesus

camptownraces wrote: »

No. The implication is that the "English" are more likely to be familiar with the law of England and Wales.

This isn't actually proven, since there are so many letting agency staff, of all kinds of backgrounds, who know nothing about Landlord and Tenant Law.

But it's an understandable assumption.

That was quite transparently not the OP's thinking. Read what she wrote on LLZ. "I do feel more trusting if I am dealing with English people. Nothing discriminatory at all but there is so much bad press about foreign scammers." She's not worried about competence or knowledge of tenancy law (which would be a bit of a stones-in-glass-houses situation here, anyway); she's worried that foreign people are going to scam her.

t0rt0ise

I've told you the law OP and you seem to be ignoring it. As it stands your friend is the tenant and you are her lodger and she should then declare to the tax office what you pay her in rent and pay tax accordingly.