Parking Help needed pleae

Coupon-mad

wagtails wrote: »

Hello i must admit to getting cold feet. my husband is all up for not paying but now my anger has subsided I am wavering. So let me get this clear, ignore the ticket and wait for a demand letter to arrive at this time write a letter of rebuffle (with forum help) and then wait them out?

I have now read lots of forum but more and more PCC seem to be going to small claims court, if it came to this does anyone have any idea what cost i maybe in for?

This is a bunch of ex-clampers called PCM and with a decent POPLA appeal almost everyone wins against them. Even without forum help, ordinary honest people beat them, we know that from the POPLA annual report so far, clearly PCM are useless at getting evidence together to rebut a motorist's appeal!

Don't waver, you don't have to pay - and nothing will have changed if you did lose at POPLA (unlikely). This time last year we told thousands of people to ignore fake PCNs and nothing happened except some letters. I have ignored two (still keep the letters in my handbag to show colleagues in the staff room at school about the fake PCN scam) and a close relative just got a third one last week! It's not PCM but a similar firm - I am now happily awaiting the Notice to Keeper to arrive at the relative's house so I can write their POPLA appeal for them...can't wait!

I am just an ordinary wife and Mum of 4 who works in a primary school and has a clean credit file and an enhanced CRB check for my job. I hate these scammers so much I come here every day to stop people falling for the fake parking ticket scam. Other regulars here do the same and we do know what we are doing here.

It's only two letters/emails on your part and then wait for your POPLA decision & it should be cancelled - if not you know you could always pay it at the same amount as the full 'ticket' but it pains me to type that, so don't! The reason you wait for the Notice to Keeper is because they are usually non-compliant in wording which helps your POPLA appeal, so you and my relative both 'want one of those' for our collection of PPC rubbish before challenging it from a position of strength!

And look at other PCM threads where the poster is ahead of you and at POPLA stage already, take heart from how other newbies have whizzed the first challenge out and then prepared an impressive POPLA appeal with a bit of help. You can too.

One example is Fingers Lily here who started off as a wavering newbie just last week - having already appealed I think, which is a shame as a normal appeal gives information away - but anyway she has just perfected a POPLA appeal that 'should' win IMHO:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4691167

Learn from her thread. PCM are such scumbags that they hid the POPLA verification code in an unexplained reference at the top of their rejection letter. Bet they do the same to you, if so laugh at them as you have the ex-clampers sussed.

wagtails wrote: »

If we do decide to fight do the unpaid PCC invoices go on have any effect on my credit history?

Nope, no CCJ, no black mark, no bailiff, no one comes knocking, nothing. It's like deleting phishing emails only now we have POPLA to delete them for us:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=24362



HTH

wagtails

Thanks for the further advice and help. I still have a couple of uncertainties:-

1. the signage in the parking area states that I needed to display a valid parking permit issued by PCM, which what accidentally left in my handbag and wasn't displayed.
2. Is the threat of increased penalties on the same sign actionable and if so what are the likely increased costs going to be?

The NtK has not been received but the PCN was only issued on 29/06.

I'm sorry to harp on about his but I don't want to pursue this if they have actually dome something right!!

Thanks again for your help.

Umkomaas

Please stop worrying and trust us. All PPCs threaten all sorts of nasty evils on their victims; it's been their most successful MO, profits are in direct proportion to the level of threat in PPC-world, please don't fall for it.

Coupon-mad

wagtails wrote: »

Thanks for the further advice and help. I still have a couple of uncertainties:-

1. the signage in the parking area states that I needed to display a valid parking permit issued by PCM, which what accidentally left in my handbag and wasn't displayed.
2. Is the threat of increased penalties on the same sign actionable and if so what are the likely increased costs going to be?

The NtK has not been received but the PCN was only issued on 29/06.

I'm sorry to harp on about his but I don't want to pursue this if they have actually dome something right!!

Thanks again for your help.

1. Doesn't matter, because 'what happened' won't be part of your winning appeal.

2. If a PPC takes a registered keeper to Court then they can only claim the full amount on the NTK plus court fees £25 for the claim and a similar amount for a hearing. If they apply for costs they can only get a nominal travel/expenses amount like £50. And that would be IF PCM win (nope)!

Please stick with us and get it cancelled at POPLA.

wagtails

Thanks for your patience, PCM...watch out!! :mad:

wagtails

Sorry to keep being a pain and I really appreciate all your kind words of wisdom but the more threads I read the more confused I get!

In most of the Popla appeal letters I have read they mention signage that does not comply with BPA regulations - however in my case the signs are very clear and all over the car park (in fact it reads like this is the only condition of parking) And we have been told by the bosses at the office that we had to display a valid ticket.

What is confusing me is my right of appeal, if the owners of the office building have given written permission for pcm to control the car park how can I win? I understand that the ticket is not a true representation of a loss to owners as my company already pays for the spaces and the fact that there are plenty of free spaces on a Saturday there is no loss and possibly between me and the parking company. Is this it? is there a lot more and I am not getting it? Sorry legal matters are not a strong point which is why I am hesitant I like to understand what I am doing.

Still can't understand why these companies have not cleaned up their acts over the years, having lost so many appeals.

As you can see from the post last night with your help, my husband is well up for a fight I just don't want a £60-£100 to turn into £260! That's a lot of days out with the kids

bazster

wagtails, please stop worrying and just wait until your husband gets the Notice to Keeper. Then, this is the sort of stuff we will hit them with:

1. If you suggest the signage wasn't up to snuff, they will have to prove otherwise. Signage all over the car park doesn't mean any of it was compliant, and most of all is there entrance signage that a driver can read from a moving vehicle?

2. What the bosses in the office told you is irrelevant, they are not any part of this.

3. Has anyone shown you a contract between the owners of the building and PCM? No? In which case you are free to dispute its existence and/or its content. POPLA will certainly want to see it, and PCM will most likely be unwilling to show it - which in and of itself will most likely cause them to lose.

4. The point about there being no loss is very important and POPLA is often ruling against parking companies on this very point.

5. There will also be stuff about the failure of the Notice to Driver and Notice to Keeper to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act Schedule 4 (and believe me, they will fail to comply)

6. There will also be stuff about how no contract exists between you and the parking company, because you never paid them or gave them anything or promised them anything in return for parking.

7. There will also be stuff about unfair contract terms.

You still seem to be under the misapprehension that you have done something wrong and deserve to be punished. You have done nothing wrong, they are trying to make you the victim of a scam. Fight back!

Orrin

Listen to bazster, there are plenty of grounds you can use to challenge the charge.

wagtails wrote: »

Still can't understand why these companies have not cleaned up their acts over the years, having lost so many appeals.

They know how difficult it is (and in many cases it's literally impossible) to recover these charges so their business model relies on frightening you into paying up.

vbm

Hi

I am in the exact same position as the OP, with the small difference that the 'firm' are not part of the BPA. London Clamping Company.

I have no intention of paying any 'fine', but would like to know if that makes any difference. From what I have read they cant get my details, so cant do an damn thing.

I assume even if they did get my details from my employer, I should just ignore their threats ?

Coupon-mad

vbm wrote: »

Hi

I am in the exact same position as the OP, with the small difference that the 'firm' are not part of the BPA. London Clamping Company.

I have no intention of paying any 'fine', but would like to know if that makes any difference. From what I have read they cant get my details, so cant do an damn thing.

I assume even if they did get my details from my employer, I should just ignore their threats ?

They are not allowed to get your details from the DVLA as you say, and I am not convinced they are allowed to get them from your employer either. Waste of space in the car park, why would your employer want ex-clamping scum there near employees' cars?! No need to answer as this isn't your thread and is not a general discussion!

IGNORE THEM AND TELL COLLEAGUES NEVER NEVER TO APPEAL!