Parking Help needed pleae

wagtails

I am hoping someone can give me some advice.

On Saturday I went to work and parked in the office car park ,which due to the nature of the business only a limited number of staff go in on a weekend and therefore I had the choice of any of the 16 allocated spaces. I had full permission of the Management to park here, but I inadvertently forgot to put the visitor pass I had been given on display. I have ended up with a £100 ticket (£60 if paid within 14days) being issued to me from pcm - Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd stating the breech is - parked without clearly displaying a valid pcm uk ltd permit (at time of enforcement)

My question is do I have a leg to stand on regarding an appeal on this ticket given that I had permission to park there and my only misdemeanor is I forgot to display the ticket? or should I just pay up?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Coupon-mad

wagtails wrote: »

My question is do I have a leg to stand on regarding an appeal on this ticket given that I had permission to park there and my only misdemeanor is I forgot to display the ticket? or should I just pay up?

I love it when newbies ask 'do I have a leg to stand on?' when they get a fake PCN from a scumbag firm like PCM!! Of course you don't pay them!

As with every other thread you see on this forum at the moment, which is about a fake PCN for ANY reason and from ANY private parking company (PPC for short on this forum) you wait for the first letter in the post as long as you are the registered keeper.

Then IF this as in England/Wales, you send a short challenge without naming the driver at all nor implying the driver was the registered keeper. Like these examples linked here:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=80125&st=20&start=20

You could add to any standard short challenge letter/email that:

''The driver* had express permission from the Management of xxxxxxxx (company name) to park in an allocated space and as a third party agent you cannot possibly also offer consideration of parking spaces when they have already been offered by the occupier. Nor can you claim or show any loss so it is clear your charge is punitive and unenforceable in law; I am sure POPLA will agree when I send them my detailed submission if you do not cancel this fake PCN.''



*(Note the use of the third person in the wording, not saying who was driving, which gives you more appeal points to rely upon when I comes to your winning POPLA appeal).

But for now it's a waiting game for that first letter to arrive. DO NOT RESPOND NOW.

Spend the waiting time reading other threads around yours, about any fake PCN, and also read the most recent wins on the 'POPLA decisions' sticky thread at the top of the parking forum. PCM feature there more than once (read them!!) and I will stick my neck out and say they have no hope of winning against a good forum-advised POPLA appeal when it comes to it!

Umkomaas

wagtails wrote: »

I am hoping someone can give me some advice.

On Saturday I went to work and parked in the office car park ,which due to the nature of the business only a limited number of staff go in on a weekend and therefore I had the choice of any of the 16 allocated spaces. I had full permission of the Management to park here, but I inadvertently forgot to put the visitor pass I had been given on display. I have ended up with a £100 ticket (£60 if paid within 14days) being issued to me from pcm - Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd stating the breech is - parked without clearly displaying a valid pcm uk ltd permit (at time of enforcement)

My question is do I have a leg to stand on regarding an appeal on this ticket given that I had permission to park there and my only misdemeanor is I forgot to display the ticket? or should I just pay up?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Is this your company's car park, have they asked the PPC to 'manage' it for them? If so get your company to tell them that you were parked legitimately and to cancel the charge.

If your company didn't invite them in, who did? If so, your company should be demanding that they do not allow their agent to harass their staff.

If all that fails to do the job, then we can help further.

First thing (in case the above doesn't resolve anything) what have you received so far, is it a windscreen ticket or a Parking Charge Notice in the post? Let us know, but also get your employer to rattle some cages tomorrow.

wagtails

Hi thank you both for your swift responses. In answer to your questions, my company leases the office space from a management company and it is this management company that have ask pcm to control the parking. I got a ticket on my windscreen and the car is actually registered to my husband. A number of other collegues have had parking tickets and ended up paying them as they didn't want CCj etc on their names, also although I think the company would help me by writing a letter they are not interested in doing anything else :O(

spacey2012

Parking scammers love the ignorant who just pay believing the threats they make .
I have had Dozens and Dozens and they never have nor never will get a single penny that they are not truly owed.

Coupon-mad

wagtails wrote: »

Hi thank you both for your swift responses. In answer to your questions, my company leases the office space from a management company and it is this management company that have ask pcm to control the parking. I got a ticket on my windscreen and the car is actually registered to my husband. A number of other collegues have had parking tickets and ended up paying them as they didn't want CCj etc on their names, also although I think the company would help me by writing a letter they are not interested in doing anything else :O(

Sorry but those colleagues are either stupid, uninformed, can't do a Google search or just have more money than sense. Sorry but this is daft. You don't just 'get a CCJ' because a fake PCN is put on your car. It's a speculative invoice, not a fine! It does not have to be paid and anyone who falls for it then...words fail me!

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=24362

Maybe it's time to spread the word in your company, on the staff noticeboard and/or by word of mouth or email, never to pay these. Wait for the horribly non-compliant Notice to Keeper, laugh at it, then appeal (2 stages) and win at POPLA with a forum template strongly-worded appeal (but not the normal sort of excuses). EASY.

wagtails

Hello i must admit to getting cold feet. my husband is all up for not paying but now my anger has subsided I am wavering. So let me get this clear, ignore the ticket and wait for a demand letter to arrive at this time write a letter of rebuffle (with forum help) and then wait them out?

I have now read lots of forum but more and more PCC seem to be going to small claims court, if it came to this does anyone have any idea what cost i maybe in for?

Umkomaas

wagtails wrote: »

Hello i must admit to getting cold feet. my husband is all up for not paying but now my anger has subsided I am wavering. So let me get this clear, ignore the ticket and wait for a demand letter to arrive at this time write a letter of rebuffle (with forum help) and then wait them out?

I have now read lots of forum but more and more PCC seem to be going to small claims court, if it came to this does anyone have any idea what cost i maybe in for?

Don't waver now. You really must await the NtK. It may not arrive (however, unlikely). The windscreen ticket is aimed at the driver and the PPC has to allow 28 days for the driver to respond. If no response they then obtain the RK's details from DVLA and must write to the RK within the 28 days following the first 28 days.

So you've got plenty of time to get yourself up to speed on the issues and how they are dealt with by the multitude of motorists successful in beating these charges.

And when they send out the NtK - under PoFA 2012 arrangements, they have to meet very strict criteria on what they write and the timescales they have to comply with. Many PPCs fail at this stage and the charge can be avoided.

Even if you are going to pay this ticket nothing in terms of level of charge (or discount) will change by waiting for the NtK.

So spend a bit of time searching the forum (also look on Pepipoo) about POPLA. I recently wrote a fairly detailed thread with some links about this, so you could do worse than have a look at it. Here's the link:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=61808935&postcount=2

Don't quit at this stage - there's nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Get back to us when you get the NtK.

HTH

wagtails

If we do decide to fight do the unpaid PCC invoices go on have any effect on my credit history?

Umkomaas

wagtails wrote: »

If we do decide to fight do the unpaid PCC invoices go on have any effect on my credit history?

Only if it goes to court, you lose and you fail to pay any costs awarded against you. You're in control of the ultimate here.

bazster

I'd just like to thank wagtails for coming up with "rebuffle". What a wonderful word!