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lodging at a housing association owned house.

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  • tzzt123
    tzzt123 Posts: 63 Forumite
    She lives on her own.
  • terryw
    terryw Posts: 4,396 Forumite
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    Even in "hard to let" dwellings in the worst possible areas of the UK, it would be very unusual for a council or a housing association to let a five bed-roomed dwelling to a single person. So it looks as though there is a historical reason for the lady occupying a large dwelling - perhaps at one time she had children which "entitled" her to a large dwelling.

    The tenancy with the local authority is probably for life (or even longer if there is a right to pass this on). Everything being equal, the lady has a right to take in lodgers. She is paying the rent and therefore not subject to the recent removal of excess living space subsidy (aka bedroom tax) which only applies to those claiming housing benefit.

    Unfortunately, this is little help to you personally. You are a lodger with few rights. Assuming that you are a person with no children living with you or a vulnerable person, then the housing association and the local council will have few options to help you other than advice. It is extremely unlikely that they will offer you housing. But, one never knows.

    Your ill-feeling towards the landlady is perhaps understandable from your personal level but it might be better directed against government housing policy rather than an indivual who is within the rules set down. Might I suggest a thread on the discussion forums in MSE?

    You have not helped your situation here by opening the landlady's mail and leaving the housing assocation officer with the impression that the property has been sub-let rather than taking a lodger.

    Best of luck in finding a dwelling to rent or another landlord to accept you as a lodger.
    "If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"
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  • datlex
    datlex Posts: 2,252 Forumite
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    tzzt123 wrote: »
    One more thing - I am not sure what the difference is but we did sign a contract. Is the LL not supposed to provide us with a written notice? The notice the LL gave us was not formal but a verbal warning that we might have to leave if she wont be able to keep the house.
    I was told previously by housing association here that notice had to be in writing by letter. Verbal/ email doesn't count.
    Paid off the last of my unsecured debts in 2016. Then saved up and bought a property. Current aim is to pay off my mortgage as early as possible. Currently over paying every month. Mortgage due to be paid off in 2036 hoping to get it paid off much earlier. Set up my own bespoke spreadsheet to manage my money.
  • olly300
    olly300 Posts: 14,738 Forumite
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    tzzt123 wrote: »
    What do you mean no rights? The contract clearly states "one month written notice".

    The LL has not been clear about asking us to leave up until 2 days ago when the LL decided they want to have no tenants at all. Up until then it was more like the LL was going to fight the housing association and that we might have to leave if she wouldn't be able to keep the the house. Some LL are unclear like you said
    but what if I was unclear and just ask my deposit one day without any warning ? That's why we signed a contract. So we know what to follow.

    Am I wrong?

    You aren't a tenant you are a lodger.


    You are an excluded occupier which means if the landlord thinks you are threatening her she can make things very nasty for you.

    If you want proper rental rights don't live with the landlord.
    I'm not cynical I'm realistic :p

    (If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)
  • olly300
    olly300 Posts: 14,738 Forumite
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    datlex wrote: »
    I was told previously by housing association here that notice had to be in writing by letter. Verbal/ email doesn't count.

    This person is a lodger.

    Their rights are non-existent.

    Oh and if email isn't in writing what is?
    I'm not cynical I'm realistic :p

    (If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)
  • Lizzie-S
    Lizzie-S Posts: 79 Forumite
    What a cheek! And NO it is NOT allowed, for the LL to rent out any part of his social housing house. Do as everyone has said, and report him.
  • BitterAndTwisted
    BitterAndTwisted Posts: 22,492 Forumite
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    Lizzie-S wrote: »
    What a cheek! And NO it is NOT allowed, for the LL to rent out any part of his social housing house. Do as everyone has said, and report him.


    Stop being a numpty.

    It is allowed for a social housing tenant to take on a lodger. or half a dozen if they have enough rooms.

    No need to report her, the housing association have already sent round their representatives and are fully aware that there are lodgers in the property.

    But not for much longer! At least for the OP, that is.
  • datlex
    datlex Posts: 2,252 Forumite
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    olly300 wrote: »
    This person is a lodger.

    Their rights are non-existent.

    Oh and if email isn't in writing what is?

    I can only go by what the housing told me.

    Mind you being a lodger means they have more rights to social housing. Sharing a house with people not related to puts you in a higher band.
    Paid off the last of my unsecured debts in 2016. Then saved up and bought a property. Current aim is to pay off my mortgage as early as possible. Currently over paying every month. Mortgage due to be paid off in 2036 hoping to get it paid off much earlier. Set up my own bespoke spreadsheet to manage my money.
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