Public Sector job rise?

grizzly1911

Apparently JSA claimants will now have to "sign on" weekly and have in depth assessments more regularly with a wait period of 7 days before claiming.

Presumably they will need more staff in job centres?

Apart from the ritual humiliation element job seekers will now lose more of their benefit in paying to get there more frequently - good news for bus companies I suppose. it would cost near £6 to do a return journey to our closest if required and take you out of the job search loop for around half a day.

I thought UB was meant to streamline the system and push claims on line? For most JSA seekers I suspect the visit to the Job Centre is a waste of the 5 minutes or less staff time? Never mind they can no doubt post specimen CVs online for them to cut and paste.

I am not pro benefit abuse in anyway but I am not so sure this will actually achieve very much - perhaps I am just being cynical.

Graham_Devon

I agree - it seems to literally punish jobseekers in order to pacify a section of society.

I can only assume this was done in order to say "look we can't cut the welfare bill, so instead to pacify those paying for it, we'll punish those on benefits".

Nothing really has changed in terms of the finances. Infact, it will likely cost more, as like you say you can't double the number of customers walking through the door without increasing the man power to deal with it.

N1AK

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Apparently JSA claimants will now have to "sign on" weekly and have in depth assessments more regularly with a wait period of 7 days before claiming.

There is something really quite odious about some of the measures the conservatives are willing to implement to mollify certain segments of our population.

It strikes me as lazy, unimaginative, wasteful politics; they can't be bothered fixing the problems so they'll just punish the people involved instead.

Double the number of appointments; for what benefit? The appointments are a waste of time any way: turn up, tell them you've read the job section of the local paper and searched monster and then leave.

Make people wait a week. Because that encourages people to take a short term, low hours or low paid job :mad: besides the fact that someone who has just lost their job had at least been working before so why can't we cut them some sodding slack :mad:

I like my local MP (conservative) and am conservative leaning but I've come to genuinely despise a broad swathe of right-wing conservative supporters and politicians. I hope UKIP do end up tearing the party apart because at least then I can vote for whatever party the more progressive members end up joining.

MacMickster

I assume that Jeffrey can't understand why his reform of the economy isn't working, so suspects that a significant proportion of JSA claimants are ctually working in the black economy, so is trying to disrupt that.

With no Plan B in his repertoire we can probably expect ever more desparate attempts to make Plan A work for him.

Graham_Devon

N1AK wrote: »

There is something really quite odious about some of the measures the conservatives are willing to implement to mollify certain segments of our population.

My problem is that they punish one section while needlessly protecting another.

Winter fuel payments are now a major issue politically. Financially not so much so, but politically they are pretty important right now with every party dancing around saying something should be done but doing all they can to do as little as possible.

The coaliton are going to clamp down on people in hot countries .Wow!

Labour will clamp down on the richest 5% of society. Wow!

Both mean absolutely nothing financially. Both say they want to be tough. Both design their own systems to try and look as if they are doing something, but design them so they do as little as possible.

While the coalition are more than happy to punish jobseekers, they actively go out of their way to design systems which protect the wealthy pensioners who simply don't need the handouts.

I just don't get why they do it. I suppose their thinking is purely votes. But dividing society in this way (and it seems labour would do the same, so were pretty stuck) is going to lead to problems down the line.

It is totally unjust to punish genuine people looking for work while handing out winter fuel payments to multi millionares.

markharding557

Nothing really has changed in terms of the finances. Infact, it will likely cost more, as like you say you can't double the number of customers walking through the door without increasing the man power to deal with it.

Apparently the department is going to cut it's running costs at the same time.:think:

BobQ

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Apparently JSA claimants will now have to "sign on" weekly and have in depth assessments more regularly with a wait period of 7 days before claiming.

Presumably they will need more staff in job centres?

Apart from the ritual humiliation element job seekers will now lose more of their benefit in paying to get there more frequently - good news for bus companies I suppose. it would cost near £6 to do a return journey to our closest if required and take you out of the job search loop for around half a day.

I thought UB was meant to streamline the system and push claims on line? For most JSA seekers I suspect the visit to the Job Centre is a waste of the 5 minutes or less staff time? Never mind they can no doubt post specimen CVs online for them to cut and paste.

I am not pro benefit abuse in anyway but I am not so sure this will actually achieve very much - perhaps I am just being cynical.

Maybe the plan could be achieved by allowing claimants to contact the Job Centre by Skype? Maybe those without a broadband connection could visit their local library (although that will probably just as far away and Skype from there?

But I agree this is just another way of humiliating claimants. It would be far better if they paid their bus fare and arranged for some prospective employers to meet them and review their CVs with a possibility of employing them.

I can see the case for encouraging those minority who are not bothering to try, but this ruse is at best unimaginative and at worst obscene. Maybe next year they will re-introduce the stocks.

Sampong

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Apparently JSA claimants will now have to "sign on" weekly and have in depth assessments more regularly with a wait period of 7 days before claiming.

Presumably they will need more staff in job centres?

Apart from the ritual humiliation element job seekers will now lose more of their benefit in paying to get there more frequently - good news for bus companies I suppose. it would cost near £6 to do a return journey to our closest if required and take you out of the job search loop for around half a day.

I thought UB was meant to streamline the system and push claims on line? For most JSA seekers I suspect the visit to the Job Centre is a waste of the 5 minutes or less staff time? Never mind they can no doubt post specimen CVs online for them to cut and paste.

I am not pro benefit abuse in anyway but I am not so sure this will actually achieve very much - perhaps I am just being cynical.

I also agree. It's just one more initiative thought up that will achieve nothing - but hey - at least it "looks" like the government are doing something.

I doubt that the welfare "reforms" will change much.

CLAPTON

gosh

having to go the the job centre once a week

what will people working on the black market do now?

but maybe people struggling to actually find a job will find it helppful

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

gosh

having to go the the job centre once a week

what will people working on the black market do now?

but maybe people struggling to actually find a job will find it helppful

You think so

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

gosh

what will people working on the black market do now?

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I appreciate your comment but it does annoy me that people seem to blame the worker in the black market rather than those who employ them without ensuring the HMRC know of it.:)