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ISA Calculation

Hello

Could someone please tell me how much 41 years of Cash ISA investments would be worth please. Assuming the following

£3000 per year, each year, transferred in on new tax year date
5.8% interest per annum

I have a figure, not sure if it correct tho! (used excel) - are/is there a calculator out there that would work this out for me??

Thank you
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  • masonic
    masonic Posts: 27,931 Forumite
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    I make it just under £500,000. For calculations like this, IMHO, Excel is the best thing to use.
  • Thankyou

    I got £497k so seems i was working it out correctly.

    Im trying to work out the best way to fund for retirement. Got a few options but this 1 seems to guarantee a return (although im a complete novice in pensions!)

    Heading over to the pensions board now :D
    Proud To Be Dealing With My Debts - 1420 Days To Go!
    LBM: £103,592.98 / Currently £78,500.08 - Down 24.22% / Mortgage: £92,800.00 / Loan: £17,284.21 / Overdraft: £450.09 / C/Card 0%(October 08): £5,601.54 / C/Card 0% (January 09): £1075.22 / Child Care: £137.80
    Share Investments: £51,390.74 / Money Owed From GS: £5,812.61
  • cheerfulcat
    cheerfulcat Posts: 3,406 Forumite
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    Be aware, though, that even at a fairly low rate of inflation - say 4.5% - after 41 years your £500,000 will be worth around £75,000 in today's money.
  • Hello

    Thankyou for your post, however im a little confused by your numbers?

    If im investing £123k (£3k x 41) at 1% above the rate of inflation (based on your 4.5%), how will my £123k investment reduce to £75k??

    How did you work this out?

    Thankyou
    Proud To Be Dealing With My Debts - 1420 Days To Go!
    LBM: £103,592.98 / Currently £78,500.08 - Down 24.22% / Mortgage: £92,800.00 / Loan: £17,284.21 / Overdraft: £450.09 / C/Card 0%(October 08): £5,601.54 / C/Card 0% (January 09): £1075.22 / Child Care: £137.80
    Share Investments: £51,390.74 / Money Owed From GS: £5,812.61
  • masonic
    masonic Posts: 27,931 Forumite
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    You have to consider that the £3000 that you are putting in each time also decreases in value over the years because of inflation. In fact, £3000 in 41 years time would only be worth £475 in todays money using CC's inflation rate.

    Edit: In other words, in your spreadsheet, you not only need to factor inflation into your balance after each year by multiplying by (1-(inflation/100)) i.e. 0.955, but you need a third column for your annual contribution, which you have to multiply by that same value each year.
  • kingmonkey
    kingmonkey Posts: 846 Forumite
    ISA cash allowance increases next year to £3600

    but i agree with £497,469.38
  • brasso
    brasso Posts: 799 Forumite
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    For very long-term investments like this, you may want to consider equity ISAs rather than cash. Cash interest is dead reliable, but the rate is relatively low.

    I'd be interested to know what a steady annual amount invested in say a FTSE tracker over the past 41 years would amount to now, but a lot more than cash, I'm certain!
    "I don't mind if a chap talks rot. But I really must draw the line at utter rot." - PG Wodehouse
  • debbie42
    debbie42 Posts: 2,586 Forumite
    Are there any guarantees that ISAs will be around for that long?:rolleyes:
    Debbie
  • cheerfulcat
    cheerfulcat Posts: 3,406 Forumite
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    Thankyou for your post, however im a little confused by your numbers?

    If im investing £123k (£3k x 41) at 1% above the rate of inflation (based on your 4.5%), how will my £123k investment reduce to £75k??

    As masonic has pointed out, the value of your £3000 contribution drops continually as well. In order to keep up with inflation you would need to put more into your ISA every year but of course the ISA limits have not changed in 10 years...

    Cash is not a good home for long-term money.
  • hello

    ok, still do not understand (sorry)

    if i break this down into 1 year ....

    £3000 x1.058 = £3174 (Capital + Interest(Tax Free))

    £3174 x0.955 = £3031.17 (Capital + Interest - Inflation (taken @ 4.5%))

    Assuming this trend of Interest and inflation rates remain constant over the next 41 years, then surely i have made a gain on my Captial Investment??

    Am i looking at this too simplistically? -
    Proud To Be Dealing With My Debts - 1420 Days To Go!
    LBM: £103,592.98 / Currently £78,500.08 - Down 24.22% / Mortgage: £92,800.00 / Loan: £17,284.21 / Overdraft: £450.09 / C/Card 0%(October 08): £5,601.54 / C/Card 0% (January 09): £1075.22 / Child Care: £137.80
    Share Investments: £51,390.74 / Money Owed From GS: £5,812.61
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