cheats are or have ruined online gaming?

sniggings

is it me or has online gaming been lost to the cheats?

Do xbox/playstation police this? as I see no evidence they do, the cheats seem to freely...cheat some do not even try and hide it. I watched a youtube vid on xbox customer service, those that are meant to police this, they say they follow up every complaint, yet the cheats are there again the next day with the same account?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

cheating on x bax or PS3 can sea the xbox be rendered useless aswell as ps3's.

have to bear in mind that some people are very experienced gamers, children have faster reflexes and genrally more quicker than adult does.

they are moderated, but with every cheat dev out there there will always a be a lag behind in banning people.

PC cheats are rife in games, this is because you cant shut down a PC for good, product keys aswell as anticheat programs like punkbuster and VAC2 are not instant things.

VAC2 has a delay, vac reports back to valve when VAC has been turned off, or a injector type program has altered its .DLL files, this report back system that VAVLE has adopted can see cheters go 4-6 weeks then all of a sudden the game they have paid for has been blocked from playing in multiplayer online games appart from LAN party games and single player.

there is just not enough DEVS to moderate millions of online gamers every week, so they rely on the in game feature REPORT to flag suspected cheats, the report gets looked over and often there isnt enough evidence to ban just someone abusing the report sytem because someone got the better of them.

Steve-o

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

have to bear in mind that some people are very experienced gamers, children have faster reflexes and genrally more quicker than adult does.

I remember when one of my mates first went on line with Halo (Xbox). He considered himself to be excellent at it, but got his butt consistently handed to him by American kids. :rotfl:

sniggings

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

cheating on x bax or PS3 can sea the xbox be rendered useless aswell as ps3's.

have to bear in mind that some people are very experienced gamers, children have faster reflexes and genrally more quicker than adult does.

true, but I'm not referring to them, when someone can not be killed even when you are standing next to them and shoot them 10 times, or guns in the lobby of a game, where no guns are allowed etc etc

I see the same people day after day cheating, one yesterday was telling everyone in game how he did it! you say millions of games, but some older games have only a few rooms, as I see the same names all the time, a few visable bans would soon get the word out that cheating won't be accepted but they know the likelyhood of getting a ban is so small they just don't care.

londonTiger

you cannot cheat in online games, the server will hash check game files to make sure theyre not modified. Maybe the player has exposed a glitch or using a feature that you are not aware of.

I've been accused of cheating a few times, i play world of tanks and play tank destroyer. I get all the cammo upgrades so my tank cannot be spotted. I had many occasions where plays accused me of cheating because I sniped them from far away and they couldnt even see me.

sniggings

londonTiger wrote: »

you cannot cheat in online games, the server will hash check game files to make sure theyre not modified. Maybe the player has exposed a glitch or using a feature that you are not aware of.

I've been accused of cheating a few times, i play world of tanks and play tank destroyer. I get all the cammo upgrades so my tank cannot be spotted. I had many occasions where plays accused me of cheating because I sniped them from far away and they couldnt even see me.

no you can, trust me, I'm amazed you say it doesn't go on, you are either very new to online gaming or having a laugh.

cootuk

I believe one company set up two servers for a game - all hacked gamers were sent to one, all clean accounts sent to another.
A lot of the people using hacks were pretty upset that everyone else had god mode/headshot/whatever, and they began uninstalling the hacks to play on the clean server where things were based more on skill and luck.

Sparhawke

I play Diablo 3 and while I do not play Hardcore I have heard of some extremely high level players being PKed in town due to monsters being pulled into the safe zones...some people are just B******S who like to ruin other peoples fun.

The problem is, that the law courts are so far behind that those doing all this are never brought to account; you can ban a key for a week and then they always get it back on appeal to do it again for a few months/years.

Except for Jagex when I played as a pmod on Runescape, they successfully sued a botting company for $1,000,000.

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/topic/355134-imminent-court-ruling-to-choke-runescape-hackers/

We need proper laws, and no excuses, if you cheat then you get banned and you never see your items again, across all games and all accounts.

Second Life has a passport mandatory system for if you want to play in the adult worlds, why can't we have that so people will never be able to cheat more than once?

cootuk wrote: »

I believe one company set up two servers for a game - all hacked gamers were sent to one, all clean accounts sent to another.
A lot of the people using hacks were pretty upset that everyone else had god mode/headshot/whatever, and they began uninstalling the hacks to play on the clean server where things were based more on skill and luck.

If that is Battlefield 3 I think I remember reading something about that and it is too true, cheaters and scammers want an unfair advantage so that may be a option for the future, if cheating you get thrown in the pit. Only I would not let them out.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

the best way of moderating cheats its to rent your own server, and mod them with black tomato punkbuster or dev tools.

We did this with black ops, it become popular and such was full everynight, as we could set up our own gameplay and server rules.

old games are rarely moderated as the time and cost to do so is not viable on 3yr old game when other games or in the pipeline from companies.

as stated if you play black ops 2 i havent come accross a hacked server as the lobby system is different to other previous games in the series, your paired up in a lobby but there is no player host, treyarch is the host, VAC takes weeks to shut a game down from the product key account because its a delayed banning system but treyarch have server side anticheat to compliment it, DEVs download the cheats and hotfix fix games so the server akcnowladges when there is altered files being used.

planetside 2 have daily mods on patrol, cheats are usually kicked in a hour or so its a completely new DEV ENGINE used on that game and as such the only way to compliment anti cheats is to moderate it.

believe it or not cheaters pay for the cheat on cheat devs proxy sites, cheater are funding crime, and possibly terrorism unknowingly, also they pay for the dev when he gets banned testing out his cheats that why see the same names over and over again, also cheats that have been repacked and on torrent sites are detectable as the contant could be so old, would contain a virus or maleware of sorts.

lag is also a factor, it can appear your hitting someone, but your actually not and getting false hit markers, frames persecond your rig the server you pick all have factors to how you persieve others in the server.

Krojan

londonTiger wrote: »

you cannot cheat in online games, the server will hash check game files to make sure theyre not modified. Maybe the player has exposed a glitch or using a feature that you are not aware of.

Yes you can, just go look at the World of Warcraft forums for examples of people who hack/mod their online game for various nefarious purposes and they even have their own built in server AND client-end anti-hack software called warden but people still circumnavigate it.

Regarding console hacks/mods, examples I've witnessed is I've seen people using a hack/mods to remove the head from their hitbox so headshots wont register (Halo 4) aiming mods to ensure no matter where you aim you'll hit the opposing player (Call of Duty), speed mods to go faster (F1 2012)... heck even mobile iOS/Android games (The Simpsons Tapped Out) have hacks/mods available to give unlimited premium currency.

Hacking/Modding is done by the minority trying to exploit other players for their own playing pleasure/to cover their weaknesses and to inflate their own rankings or gamerscores (woopty doo), the problem is not enough people actually use the consoles' own reporting features to report the players so the cheaters can be flagged and investigated and utilise the tools so you're less likely to join future games with said players in the future, and for every mod they patch theres people whom are devoted to making/finding more.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

londonTiger wrote: »

you cannot cheat in online games, the server will hash check game files to make sure theyre not modified. Maybe the player has exposed a glitch or using a feature that you are not aware of.

I've been accused of cheating a few times, i play world of tanks and play tank destroyer. I get all the cammo upgrades so my tank cannot be spotted. I had many occasions where plays accused me of cheating because I sniped them from far away and they couldnt even see me.

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quite simply you have the wrong assumption about online gaming.