The Great 'Medical Tourism' Hunt

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has anyone got a recommendation for a dentist in malaysia please?? and approx cost, etc...

Toothsmith

Denzelpuppy wrote: »

yes perfectly what I'm saying here is that Dentists in the Uk are manipulating the system ie. the fewer NHS dentists there are then that means more people have to pay for private treatment which means more money in your pocket.

I notice you did not comment on my post about UK dentists keeping up with modern equipment and procedures? Mmmmmm why should a buy a Dental laser at £ 750,000 + and have to buy a cheaper car when i can use this old equipment and charge a fortune. Or why shouyld i hire an anethetist and have my income for using TIVA when i can use the old lidocaine at only a little cost? nah never mind the really nervous patients let em suffer.

This thread is about saving money and of course your going to defend your profession to the hilt, you'd be a fool not to BUT the treatment is cheaper in place like Hungary, Turkey, Thailand, etcetc.


Oh and by the way there is a place in Bulgaria that make the Procera crowns as well and they hadve the CAD machine to make them as well and offer Procera crowns fitted in 1 Day

I am aware of no dental lasers that cost £3/4m!!! I'm not actually aware of any dental lasers that are of much use for many proceedures either!

You're aparently not aware either that 'hiring an anaesthetist' has been banned in this country for getting on for 7 years now.

All GA extractions in this country have to be carried out in an establishment with critical care facilities - i.e. local hospitals. Another completely idiotic regulation I know - as now we have kids with bad teeth having to wait months for an operating theatre to become available. The regulation was brought in as a knee jerk reaction without checking that there was capacity to cope with it!

It is possible to have a kidney transplant in a private hospital in the UK that would not be deemed suitable to take out a tooth under GA!

Are you sure about the PROCERA lab in Bulgaria? Is it not a CERAC machine you are confusing it with? This is a very similar CAD/CAM milling machine. I have two colleagues within 20 miles of me with these.

Toothsmith

Denzelpuppy wrote: »

Now this might be the voice of ignorance But I always thought that the main reason was the goverment try to curb inflation and saw that the Dentists were earning above the limits imposed by them so created a new contract paying less for certain aspects of dentistry, to which they rejected it in large volumes and stuck to fingers up to the goverment and said sod this were going private only and getting rid of our NHS patients?

You're getting much closer to the real issue here! Well done.

Now - all these NHS and private patients.

We do not 'Get rid' of our NHS patients, and invite in some whole new cohort of Bentley driving toffs.

My 'Private' patients are exactly the same people as my NHS patients!

There are three types of patient. Dogs, Cats and Rats.

Dogs - Like you, like what you do, appreciate you understand you and are loyal. These patients listen to your arguments, generally have a pretty good idea of what's going on anyway, and are happy to stay with you. They are grateful for the time you've tried to stick with the NHS, and don't want to go elsewhere. Even if it means sacrificing some other luxury, they will stay with you.

Cats - Come to you because you're convienient. If you can show these patients that the practice changes will be in their best interests - they will sign up as private patients. If you can't - they won't. If they do - but then you let them down - again, they will be out the door.

Rats. - Come to you because they can't be bothered to go anywhere else. Have no idea of the issues and don't really care. Suddenly become an expert on the subject when it affects them personally, and disappear out of the front door like the proverbial rat out of an aquaduct when they think there's a chance it might just cost them a bit more. Generally writing an 'Angry of Mayfair' letter to the local rag as soon as they get home! (Oh - and these tend to be the wealthy patients!!)

When going private, you only need about half the patients you need in an NHS practice - as the increased fees mean you can decrease your workload (In fact, if you keep more than about 75% of the patients, you can be in trouble as you won't have much more time to give them).

So - 'Get rid' of the NHS patients - no, you just get rid of the rats and about half the cats. You then set about actually beginning to enjoy your job again, do good work, and have time to argue with numpties on message boards!

Great fun!

Denzelpuppy

Toothsmith wrote: »

I am aware of no dental lasers that cost £3/4m!!! I'm not actually aware of any dental lasers that are of much use for many proceedures either!

You're aparently not aware either that 'hiring an anaesthetist' has been banned in this country for getting on for 7 years now.

All GA extractions in this country have to be carried out in an establishment with critical care facilities - i.e. local hospitals. Another completely idiotic regulation I know - as now we have kids with bad teeth having to wait months for an operating theatre to become available. The regulation was brought in as a knee jerk reaction without checking that there was capacity to cope with it!

It is possible to have a kidney transplant in a private hospital in the UK that would not be deemed suitable to take out a tooth under GA!

Are you sure about the PROCERA lab in Bulgaria? Is it not a CERAC machine you are confusing it with? This is a very similar CAD/CAM milling machine. I have two colleagues within 20 miles of me with these.

Well thats what they were advertising it as.

Denzelpuppy

Toothsmith wrote: »

I am aware of no dental lasers that cost £3/4m!!! I'm not actually aware of any dental lasers that are of much use for many proceedures either!

mmmm theres a place in Southampton called the Smile Clinic that use Dental laser Drills http://www.stardent.co.uk/dentalsurgery.html I did look into this price seemed good as well £250 per hour BUT because my teeth are full of amalgum it can't be used on those particular teeth otherwise I'd have been straight down there

Toothsmith

Denzelpuppy wrote: »

BUT because my teeth are full of amalgum it can't be used on those particular teeth otherwise I'd have been straight down there

Exactly my point!

It's an awful lot of money to spend on something you can't use on 95% of your patients!!

I notice that most of the 'treatments' they advertise it for are soft tissue treatments.

Under 'Crown and bridge' they say it's only used for gum contouring - which happens AFTER all the drilling with a normal drill!

Also, although it can target and just fry away decay (ALMOST painlessly it says - what does that mean??) for most filling materials in most cavities, a little bit of conventional drilling will still need to be done in order to get the cavity shape right for the material.

Drill-less dentistry is still a long way of, and lasers are still more gimmick than real use.

Denzelpuppy

Toothsmith wrote: »

Exactly my point!

It's an awful lot of money to spend on something you can't use on 95% of your patients!!

I notice that most of the 'treatments' they advertise it for are soft tissue treatments.

Under 'Crown and bridge' they say it's only used for gum contouring - which happens AFTER all the drilling with a normal drill!

Also, although it can target and just fry away decay (ALMOST painlessly it says - what does that mean??) for most filling materials in most cavities, a little bit of conventional drilling will still need to be done in order to get the cavity shape right for the material.

Drill-less dentistry is still a long way of, and lasers are still more gimmick than real use.

but can you not see that demand drives technology forward, just like demand drives IT and computers forward, if Dentists dont push the boundries advances wont take place. If Kennedy hadn't wanted to go to the moon, then we'd be so much worse off today, all the things we wouldn't have. There is more computing power in your average car today than was onboard the lunar landing module. Anyway I digress, I feel we had better end this as we are never going to agree and you can't argue an opinion, you've got yours and i've got mine, and as this thread is supposed to be about saving money and tips and experiances we might start upsetting one or too.

Toothsmith

I thought we were beginning to see things in a similar way!

I totally agree with most of what you have written above.

And I 'demand' a useful laser, and when it has been developed, I will certainly buy one. In the meantime, I have a duty to my patients not to waste their money on toys.

It is my professional duty not to be taken in by hype, and to evaluate the evidence for or against a particular technique or treatment and only use it when I am convinced it is of benefit.

This IS moneysaving!

There is NO demand for new technology coming from the NHS dental service! They're on their way back to the 50s with an increasing number of extractions and dentures!

If, as some on this thread want, the only demand in this country is for CHEAP dentistry, then there won't be any demand for mega thousand £ bits of tackle in this country either!

Middle_Sister

I'd like a full facelift, a neck lift and upper eyelids done plus maybe a brow lift. Just about anywhere is cheaper than the UK but does anyone have a recommedation for the safest most reputable place to get the above done.
Any suggestions welcome. Thanks.

wostok02

greeneye wrote: »

Anyone else a little dubious about the recomendations on here from people who've never posted before and/or only joined today?? :rolleyes:

But I am interested in dental implants in hungary so if anyone else who doesn't have a vested interest (not suggesting those who have mentioned it fall into the above catergory) wants to share their expierience be good to here how you got on.;)

My friend who is Hungarian is recommending her place. The Dentist is the one she uses herself and is based in Debrecen in the east of Hungary.
They speak English and have a website so maybe worth a look. https://www.naturdent.hu
email: nemcsenyi@fogorvos.com.