Contract Negotiatios

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Sounds like you want the job but don't want to commit to something that won't pay you what you need. Here's how you win at negotiations: give yourself the upper hand. How do you give yourself the upper hand? Have all the power. How do you have all the power? Be prepared to walk away.

Do it now, pick a figure that you need and the terms you want, tell them that unless they meet these you are not interested and if they say no, fine, walk away.

The way you're talking it sounds like you're begging them to give you the job and you're doing anything to get it, you're giving them all the power, they're just waiting until you're worn out and agree. Do not do this.

Forever

I would walk away. They are playing you right from the first hurdle. That's not a good sign.

They'll be other opportunities, I'm sure

LannieDuck

tzzt123 wrote: »

Their response was:
A. I was the ideal candidate and they absolutely want me for the job.
B. They will pay towards communication bills
C. They said I would do a certain salary on average - but this is only verbal, the contract wasn't revised
D. Apartment costs are out of the question
E. What annoyed me a little was a demand for me to sign quickly since it had been a week of negotiation and some how a claim that
I had already agreed on the lower salary

At the very least, I would make it a requirement that they put C into the written contract. If they won't, I would walk away. No way I'd move countries without a guarenteed monthly salary.

What you ask for on top of that depends how far short the average salary is from your expectations, and how easy it would be for you to get a further job offer elsewhere.

gettingready

citricsquid wrote: »

Sounds like you want the job but don't want to commit to something that won't pay you what you need. Here's how you win at negotiations: give yourself the upper hand. How do you give yourself the upper hand? Have all the power. How do you have all the power? Be prepared to walk away.

Do it now, pick a figure that you need and the terms you want, tell them that unless they meet these you are not interested and if they say no, fine, walk away.

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This is what I have done in a similar situation - very much wanted the job but said I could not accept what they were offering and walked away.

2 days later I was called with an offer that I was happy with and accepted.

Good luck.

FBaby

I agree they are indeed totally playing you up and so far, you have not shown the business acumen that would make them think it is worth taking you seriously. You have fallen into the trap of concentrating on the fact that you really want that job, rather than whether it was a good deal or not.

As advised already, you are left with no choice but to say no thank you, not under these conditions. Most likely they will tell fine, no worry, we'll find someone else but at the same time, you might not the pole goals by doing so and they might be the one desperate for you. Just be prepared that it might be the end of the road.

keyser666

I wouldnt bother going just purely based on what is happening there and the FCO advice.

tzzt123

So the company is in fact very established but relatively unknown in the uk simply because the uk is not part of its target market.

I actually decides I would follow the advice here and explain that I would really like to sign the contract but I cannot afford to unless those simple conditions are met. And thats the last thing I said to them. Since this was a skype chat that they had initiated I think there had been a chance where the hr person I talked to understood I was signing the contract or simply chose not understand telling me that if I would like to sign than I should. But again how many times can you explain the same thing?

Anyway since the person who is probably in charge of negotiation was awas abroad they only called today. I was just before a meeting so I had only 5 minutes to talk but the gist was that politely saying it that saying I would sign a contract and not following through is unprofessional. While I agree 100% I never said I would and I dont understand how any company who takes its employees seriously woukd expect them to sign a contract without understanding it and negotiatating. . But I didnt say anything.

LannieDuck

Can you not put some of this in writing to HR? Given how much misunderstanding there seems to have been, I think you need to spell your position out very clearly in black and white.

tzzt123

Was actually going to say that today but thought it would be a little too rude. My last position was given in writing though. After that Skype call I emailed them with my exact position.

And yet the tell me I they thought I wasn't pro.
Yet I need to make myself clear, probably once again? Could this be a negotiation trick ?

LannieDuck

It's difficult to tell without knowing exactly who has said what to whom.

I would be inclined to e-mail them emphasising how keen you are to take up the offer of employment, but that you would need them to amend the contract to reflect what you'd agreed to verbally.

...but you may already have done this. In which case their response suggests their HR team is either inept or being deliberately obtuse in the hope they can pressure you into signing.