Sky News Poll Reveals Huge Divide On Europe

olly300

Yes

Sampong wrote: »

For crying out loud quit your jibber jabber. The EU has failed, it's been doomed for years - raiding Cypriot bank accounts for example is not the occasional "fault" as you like to portray it - it's total and utter disaster.

The only thing I can say to you - WAR.

Without the EU Germany and France would have had another one.

Oh and the Tories are quite cunning - ensure a country like Turkey goes into the EU then the freedom of movement will be limited.

And Latvia joining the Euro may help it to collapse.

Graham_Devon

No, but I could be swayed depending on debate/negociations

olly300 wrote: »

The only thing I can say to you - WAR.

Without the EU Germany and France would have had another one.

Oh and the Tories are quite cunning - ensure a country like Turkey goes into the EU then the freedom of movement will be limited.

And Latvia joining the Euro may help it to collapse.

There is absolutely no evidence of this though.

It'a bold claim, but I'm not sure you can claim something quite so serious would simply have happened without the EU.

MacMickster

No, but I could be swayed depending on debate/negociations

olly300 wrote: »

The only thing I can say to you - WAR.

Without the EU Germany and France would have had another one.

The way that Germany is using the Euro to beggar their southern european neighbours, they may once again be responsible for another war within a few years.

Sampong

No

olly300 wrote: »

And Latvia joining the Euro may help it to collapse.

And Priclepants and McTavish thank for this post. Absolute Gold:rotfl:

armour

No

I don't think we'll ever be granted a referendum worthy of the name. There will be some much trumpeted 'consessions' granted to the UK which, although minor, will be presented as a great deal for Britian. There will be a UK/EU sales pitch for a month or two ahead of the 'referendum' & a comfortable 'in' vote will be banked.

Even if, by some miracle it's a no, there will be a new referendum on a newer more improved EU along shortly.

Does anyone deny that as a likely scenario?

Of course if the UK government respected the popultion & wanted the people to really have their say they'd run a referendum on the same day as the next general election!

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

No

I see that 110 years since the Kaiser wanted an empire, we have still not resolved the Franco Prussian conflict over the Ruhr coal and steel mines.

vivatifosi

Yes

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The EU may have it's faults, but these are vastly blown out of proportion and exaggerated by the neighsayers, and on the whole it's been an immensely positive thing for the UK.

The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.

There probably are parts of the EU that function effectively, however last week's Economist sums up many of its problems way better than I can:

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578386-euro-zone-desperately-need-boost-no-news-bad-news-sleepwalkers

Thrugelmir

No, but I could be swayed depending on debate/negociations

Graham_Devon wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence of this though.

The EU may have evolved from the early concept into a political one. However the German \ French axis was formed in an attempt to negotiate a lasting peace in Europe. Long before the 2 World Wars , France & Germany have fought over their borderlands.

If you read history. Then one can understand a lot more about the world today, and why differences still remain.

BobQ

Yes

Sampong wrote: »

For crying out loud quit your jibber jabber. The EU has failed, it's been doomed for years - raiding Cypriot bank accounts for example is not the occasional "fault" as you like to portray it - it's total and utter disaster.

The EU has not failed, the Euro has failed.

UK was right to stay out of the Euro and it needs reform. This will eventually happen.

The EU as a free trade area, as a regulatory framework that promotes and makes easier free trade works.

I believe the existence of EU initiated employment and consumer law has worked too. I cannot see the same being implemented by right wing UK Governments who would surely scrap things like the Distance Selling Regulations and the Working Time Directive.

The EU's positive effects are trivialised by the right wing press and politicians (including UKIP). The negative effects of leaving are brushed aside by the anti-EU proponents. But as the poll shows an honest debate between the centre/left and the Fruitcake Alliance would win the argument.

Thrugelmir

No, but I could be swayed depending on debate/negociations

BobQ wrote: »

The EU as a free trade area, as a regulatory framework that promotes and makes easier free trade works.

That is not the longer term aim though. Integration into a single federal state has always been a primary objective.