Parked for less than 5 minutes, didn't see sign about parking.

trisontana

notanewuser wrote: »

When did this advice change?

How can they take anybody to court when there has been no financial loss?!

Welcome to the parallel universe which is PPC land. This is the place where PPCs believe that parking for a few extra minutes in a free car-park or having your wheel touch a white line causes damages or losses amounting to £100. Even when judges and POPLA have ruled that they cannot justify that "loss" they still dish out fake parking tickets.

Unfortunately there are enough people out there with (understandably) no knowledge of how this scam operates who pay up. They are fooled by official looking paperwork and official sounding company names into believing that the whole thing is pukka. In reality PPCs don't really want to take people to court, they just want them to pay up after being frightened by all that talk of courts , debt collectors , bailiffs and CCJs.

Guys_Dad

You didn't park. You got out of your car to read the parking notice - allowed by the BPA guidelines - to check the terms and conditions.

Deciding that you did not want to enter that contract, you left within a reasonable period of grace, as allowed in the BPA COP here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/BPA_CodeofPractice_2013_v1.pdf.

Now that's really what happened. isn't it?

leopheard

Firstly, beware of people on this forum. There are a number of people who proclaim they know it all when they just seem to make it up on the spot. An example was someone saying it costs £70+ for a court case transcript. I was on to Rhyl (Perera case) the other day who said it only costs £5. That's the difference between a full transcript and a judgement I believe.

Anyway, it comes down to English/Welsh contract law - damages recovered must be a genuine pre-estimate or actual damages. No punitive damages can be claimed. Therefore, what damages have you paid by parking there, or by overstaying a P+D area for example? I'd say none or a very small amount if no P+D ticket.

How is £100 not punitive? What costs have they incurred by you being there?

As for not seeing the signs, see:

Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest
& case of CPS (parking company not the Crown Prosection Service) vs Rees.

DO NOT IGNORE IT as someone above said. They passed legislation in 2012 saying it now falls on the registered keeper i.e. ignoring now doesn't help.

Stroma

Did they pass a new law in 2012 ? Bloody we never knew a thing about it as we buried our collective heads in the sands for all the time it was going through . Thanks very much for the update! And thanks for the warning of people on here, I guess you are not looking for advice or anything

kirkbyinfurnesslad_2

I smell ppc troll

Coupon-mad

leopheard wrote: »

Firstly, beware of people on this forum. There are a number of people who proclaim they know it all when they just seem to make it up on the spot.

Firstly, beware of angry new posters ranting about nothing.

leopheard wrote: »

An example was someone saying it costs £70+ for a court case transcript. I was on to Rhyl (Perera case) the other day who said it only costs £5. That's the difference between a full transcript and a judgement I believe.

Anyway, it comes down to English/Welsh contract law - damages recovered must be a genuine pre-estimate or actual damages. No punitive damages can be claimed. Therefore, what damages have you paid by parking there, or by overstaying a P+D area for example? I'd say none or a very small amount if no P+D ticket.

How is £100 not punitive? What costs have they incurred by you being there?

Errrrrm and what about where it's not claimed to be a loss or damages then?

leopheard wrote: »

As for not seeing the signs, see:

Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest
& case of CPS (parking company not the Crown Prosection Service) vs Rees.

DO NOT IGNORE IT as someone above said. They passed legislation in 2012 saying it now falls on the registered keeper i.e. ignoring now doesn't help.

Really? Big wow! Must have missed that all these months!

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4360185

...in fact we've been discussing that 'new law' for about two years(!) seeing as we were discussing the implications from when the Bill was first put forward to Parliament.

Nice try newbie.

free2roam

I received a fine from UKCPS at Exebridge retail park in Exeter. I parked there to shop with my daughter. I didn't leave the park to go elsewhere. I didn't get a notice on my car and then suddenly out of nowhere I receive the letter saying I have to pay a fine for parking longer than the time allowed. I'm furious!!! Then I find out that it's a scam and to ignore it and I'm up for that. Then I find this thread saying not to. I really don't want to spend time pursuing this obviously.

And then there's the submission from Martin Lewis saying don't play ball and they have no right to fine us?????

Guys_Dad

If you want advice tailored to your own problem, you need to start a new thread.

spacey2012

They are several camps on advice, one based on numbers games and the likelihood of them taking it further vs tickets issued and one from people who think they are punishing the parking company for £27.

Both have solutions that are well proven.

nigelbb

spacey2012 wrote: »

They are several camps on advice, one based on numbers games and the likelihood of them taking it further vs tickets issued and one from people who think they are punishing the parking company for £27.

Both have solutions that are well proven.

You are misrepresenting the second option which is not about costing the arking company for £27 but about quashing the charge quickly & avoiding a stream of threatening letters from debt collectors & solicitors and the threat of being taken to court for debt hanging over you for the next six years.