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Holyrood propaganda
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Yes, they both say independence when they mean secession. Independence is for dependent territories ruled by foreign powers.Clifford_Pope wrote: »That's a tricky one.
The word "independence" might be a clue.
Scotland is part of Great Britain, and the UK is a member state of the EU, so in neither case is the word independence appropriate. Independence is what George Washington fought for - but the Colonies had no MPs at Westminster.
But UKIP and the SNP are both engaged in the same misrepresentation, as part of their appeal to the xenophobic vote."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
angrypirate wrote: »SNP - Competent :rotfl:.
Well, certainly overwhelmingly competent by comparison to say, UKIP.
I abhor nationalism and would prefer Scotland to stay in the UK, just as I would prefer the UK to stay in Europe.
But actually, the SNP are popular in Scotland as a governing party because they have shown themselves to be surprisingly competent in the role, far better than Labour ever were.
A significant part of the Scottish population that support the SNP in government will still vote 'No' in the referendum for independence. But that doesn't detract from the fact that the SNP have been pretty good overall at running Scotland.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Yes, we hear a lot about that.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »And a desire to increase immigration and remain in Europe.
They've only recently removed the word nationalist from their website. When did any nationalist party want to increase immigration and join a federation?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
But UKIP and the SNP are both engaged in the same misrepresentation, as part of their appeal to the xenophobic vote.
The SNP supports remaining in Europe and an increase in immigration.
Pretty hard to define that as xenophobia....“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
When did any nationalist party want to increase immigration and join a federation?
Since they discovered that isolationism equals economic suicide.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
I support scottish independance if the scots want it, and I am not scottish. It's possible to want independance without being racist. Just as it is possible to want to leave the european union while still expecting to cooperate peacefully with the EU in matters in the british interest.
We need a more sensible discussion of the effects of devolution if the scots want to stay in the union. At the moment there is a lot of resentment building because Scots have too much of a say in English business.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
How odd. Economic suicide isn't usually something that nationalist parties worry about.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Since they discovered that isolationism equals economic suicide."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
I've yet to meet any scotsman who wants to seperate from the UK. This "independence" is a pipe dream of Salmond's but no matter how much talking he does the majority of Scot's know that both England and Scotland are better off together.
In Scotland's case it is better economically to stay together and in England's case it is politically better.
Anybody know when the last time there would have been a labour government without the MP's elected in Scotland. I'm not even sure Blair would have won an election without them.0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »You would agree that the increase in support for UKIP is linked to the dissolution with the three main Westminster parties.
For many Scots, we realised this far earlier.
That is one comparative factor between UKIP and SNP.
The SNP have been around far longer than UKIP, so if there was to be any comparison between the two, you would have to state that UKIP are similar to the SNP, however.....
With regards to the remainder of the policies, in what ways are UKIP and SNP similar?
They both have total knobs for leaders.0 -
tberry6686 wrote: »I've yet to meet any scotsman who wants to seperate from the UK. This "independence" is a pipe dream of Salmond's but no matter how much talking he does the majority of Scot's know that both England and Scotland are better off together.
In Scotland's case it is better economically to stay together and in England's case it is politically better.
Anybody know when the last time there would have been a labour government without the MP's elected in Scotland. I'm not even sure Blair would have won an election without them.
Well, there's 59 Scottish Westminster MPs [I think]
Labour had a something like a 250 seat majority in 970
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