Work experience at jobcentre offer

MisterMan_2

Daedalus wrote: »

If you are receiving job seekers allowance then you take the first available job that pays NMW+. Doesn't matter what your skills are, what job you want to do, how much you think you are worth. You can apply for the jobs you want when you are in a job, like most people do.

Haha, sure I can imagine it now, In the interview: "sure I'd really like this NMW paying job, although I should inform you up front: I'm also applying for jobs in the medical profession, as I'm a surgeon, so I will be requiring time off for interviews etc".

Daedalus

AP007 wrote: »

How many people do you think who were earning over £30k will really be offered a job for £11k?

YAWN, point.missed. You are trying to muddy the water. How likely the will be offered a job is irrelevant. If someone on JSA is offered a job they have a civic and moral duty to take it.

AP007

Daedalus wrote: »

YAWN, point.missed. You are trying to muddy the water. How likely the will be offered a job is irrelevant. If someone on JSA is offered a job they have a civic and moral duty to take it.

To take it? You have to be OFFERED it first!!

MisterMan_2

Daedalus wrote: »

YAWN, point.missed. You are trying to muddy the water. How likely the will be offered a job is irrelevant. If someone on JSA is offered a job they have a civic and moral duty to take it.

Even if it damages the prospects of getting back to their old profession, meaning there's one more person now competing for low-skilled jobs?

So you don't care about the long term implications of making all of our talent and professionals work in low skilled jobs (if we follow your 'logic', this is what would eventually happen), just the short term that they are not claiming unemployment benefit.

Right, I'm with you now.

Daedalus

MisterMan wrote: »

Even if it damages the prospects of getting back to their old profession, meaning their's one more person now competing for low-skilled jobs?

So you don't care about the long term implications of making all of our talent and professionals work in low skilled jobs (if we follow your 'logic', this is what would eventually happen), just the short term that they are not claiming unemployment benefit.

Right, I'm with you now.

You seem the be labouring under the same misconception that one has to put everything on their CV...

I find it morally offensive that you want to pay people to CHOOSE to remain unemployed and put pressure on the welfare system and the rest of society. And yes, you are choosing to remain unemployed by refusing to take a job for whatever reason you fancy.

AP007

Daedalus wrote: »

You seem the be labouring under the same misconception that one has to put everything on their CV...

I find it morally offensive that you want to pay people to CHOOSE to remain unemployed and put pressure on the welfare system and the rest of society. And yes, you are choosing to remain unemployed by refusing to take a job for whatever reason you fancy.

What about those who have not turned a job down? Is being unemployed after 20 years their fault?

Daedalus

AP007 wrote: »

What about those who have not turned a job down? Is being unemployed after 20 years their fault?

No, and neither have I ever said anything like that, but don't let that stop you.

MisterMan_2

Daedalus wrote: »

You seem the be labouring under the same misconception that one has to put everything on their CV...

I find it morally offensive that you want to pay people to CHOOSE to remain unemployed and put pressure on the welfare system and the rest of society. And yes, you are choosing to remain unemployed by refusing to take a job for whatever reason you fancy.

So you think it's ok to be dishonest with an employer, and not inform them that you will continue to look for work in your chosen profession and will require time off for interviews etc?

Also, if somebody has spent considerable time training for a particular career, how do you suggest they hide it from their CV?

You can find what you want morally offensive, I think you're arguments and reasons are all based on emotion and anger directed at the poor and vulnerable, rather than logical reasoning.

Daedalus

MisterMan wrote: »

So you think it's ok to be dishonest with an employer, and not inform them that you will continue to look for work in your chosen profession and will require time off for interviews etc?


Also, if somebody has spent considerable time training for a particular career, how do you suggest they hide it from their CV?

You can find what you want morally offensive, I think you're arguments and reasons are all based on emotion and anger, rather than logical reasoning.

I see how you have changed tack, good try, still failing.

All of those things relate to getting a job offer, my statement relates to whether to accept or refuse a job offer.

May jobs will take on workers knowing full well they will look for a better job.

AP007

Daedalus wrote: »

No, and neither have I ever said anything like that, but don't let that stop you.

You keep going on about people turning down jobs but fail to acknowledge the fact that people are begging for interviews at NMW only to be told you are over qualified and we will not interview you.