Spain Get Your Money Out Whilst You Still Can?

redbuzzard

dzug1 wrote: »

Top private sector pay/pensions are way way above the public sector

So you are saying they should be increased? (The answer is yes if you want to get the right people into the job btw)

You are assuming that money, and perhaps short term gain, are the only motivators that matter or are the best ones for getting the most appropriate people.

bugbyte_2

redbuzzard wrote: »

You are assuming that money, and perhaps short term gain, are the only motivators that matter or are the best ones for getting the most appropriate people.

When the Gov constantly demonises the public sector, workers are not going to feel that good about being told they are crap and should be paid a lot less.

(latest one Gove criticizing teaching about Hitler through Mr Men - even though there is zero evidence this has actually happened. Actually if you had an autistic kid with low ability and an obsession about Mr Men this may not be a bad idea.....Except the kid's need may be to learn how to feed / toilet himself, not blindly follow the national curriculum, but what would teachers know? - rant over).

Back to topic, I think it is appalling that Spain is in the position it is in, and we do not know how lucky we are to be honest. Something, somewhere will eventually give. Like others, I have left investing in the euro zone well alone until the situation becomes clearer.

pqrdef

redbuzzard wrote: »

You are assuming that money, and perhaps short term gain, are the only motivators that matter or are the best ones for getting the most appropriate people.

I would certainly doubt whether the best people to run the country are the people making the most money in the private sector.

bigadaj

pqrdef wrote: »

I would certainly doubt whether the best people to run the country are the people making the most money in the private sector.

Well we've got multi millionaires doing it currently!

TickersPlaysPop

The organisations with the money at the moment are the worlds' companies. They have been making lots of money and not investing it due to worries about the global economy.

These same international companies have been tax avoiding, sucking money out of the countries they succeed in.... Amazon, Apple, Ebay Ikea, Starbucks, Google, NPower, etc etc ..... And these are only the common names... Add up all of this tax dodging and our deficit/ debt recovery will speed up.

We need a new solution for this country.... No more big business.... Lets make a culture where it's not acceptable to walk into a Starbucks when there is a small independent cafe near by etc..... This is a metaphorical example....

Money-Saving-King

TickersPlaysPop wrote: »

We need a new solution for this country.... No more big business.... Lets make a culture where it's not acceptable to walk into a Starbucks when there is a small independent cafe near by etc..... This is a metaphorical example....

How would that then stop someone opening a small business and offering any old crap just because people would refuse to go to large companies?

Glen_Clark

TickersPlaysPop wrote: »

We need a new solution for this country.... .

True. How can Cameron talk about 'Austerity' and criticize Starbucks for avoiding tax, when Britain has the highest military spending in Europe to defend tax havens like Gibraltar?
Its part of Spain's financial problems too. The Spanish finance minister estimates 4% of Spains GDP is leeched out through Gibraltar. See the queues of Spanish cars going over the border to fill up with diesel at £1 a litre, cigarettes, spirits, etc etc

TickersPlaysPop

I think there would still be sufficient competition to stop the small businesses exploiting the culture.... This is more of a self sustaining new world (UK) order where big business is prevented from taking over the markets and smaller ones maintain a healthy share, and most importantly pay their taxes in the country where they make profit.

talexuser

Money-Saving-King wrote: »

How would that then stop someone opening a small business and offering any old crap just because people would refuse to go to large companies?

It wouldn't, but the point is we need diversity to grow and generate wealth. It is much easier to switch buying from a poor small business to another better small business, than to just have 2 large corporations who are so large they don't care much about individual customers.

jimjames

Glen_Clark wrote: »

Its part of Spain's financial problems too. The Spanish finance minister estimates 4% of Spains GDP is leeched out through Gibraltar. See the queues of Spanish cars going over the border to fill up with diesel at £1 a litre, cigarettes, spirits, etc etc

Not sure about Gibraltar's status in EU but exactly the same happens with the countries surrounding Luxembourg. Why would you fill up in Germany when fuel over the border is 30% cheaper? That is all part of the single market so nothing that a finance minister can do about it.