Should I report my brother for benefit fraud, again?

Morlock

paulineb wrote: »

And no, I dont go looking for people to report although I live in a housing estate where plenty of stuff goes on, some of it Ive heard from neighbours themselves, others from police. Im talking drug dealing, benefit fraud, handling stolen goods, all sorts goes on.

Do you live in Westminster?

Pollycat

clemmatis wrote: »

He'll love your comments. He trolls on here to stir up hate against benefit claimants. Most of what he says is untrue.

Then that's his problem.

clemmatis wrote: »

As for countries one used to love and be proud of; I feel rather like that, but for a very different reason. I miss the Britain of relative equality and lack of hate for benefits claimants. It has become a mean and bitter place.

In that Britain there weren't as many benefit fraudsters as there are now.
And that is the reason that it has become a 'mean and bitter' place - because people who don't claim any benefits and genuine claimants can see the benefit fraudsters getting away with it.

I have no objection with people on benefits - as long as their claim is genuine.

In fact on the Benefit board, I often advise people to check if they are getting all the benefits that they are entitled to.

That of course doesn't include those people who say they are single parents but have a partner living with them or those wives who 'have a job on the side' etc etc.

itch_for_a_glitch

bigboybrother wrote: »

So based on these comments, I should inform the DWP that my single mother daughter has the childrens' father round to stay in the house. They are accepted by all of the family as being together, yet she claims she is single and claims IS?

Should I also inform the DWP about my other daughter that still claims to be a single mum, claims WTC on that basis and HB/CTB as well yet lives with her partner?

If this country has come to accept that it is fine to pass information to the DWP/HMRC that will result in all manner of nasties happening to your children, then sorry, it isn't the country that I used to love and be proud of.

We probably all know someone in our close family that is breaking the law one way or another, but surely is it right that you inform the police or other government department?

Maybe people should 'shop' their wives' for having a little cash job on the side, maybe shop your grandmother because you don't think that she is providing a minimum of 35 hours of care every week for your grandfather yet claims Carers Allowance and says that she does?

Do you scriptwrite for Eastenders ?
Thought not.
Its JK isnt it ?

clemmatis

Pollycat wrote: »

Then that's his problem.

That you wasted your time replying to him could be said to be yours, and your aiding and abetting of his claimant-bashing affects others.

In that Britain there weren't as many benefit fraudsters as there are now.

You have (reasonably accurate) data? You know or have good reason to know that a substantially higher percentage of claimants commit fraud now than did then? You believe the climate whipped up by (much of) the media and by governments has nothing to do with the

Pollycat

clemmatis wrote: »

That you wasted your time replying to him could be said to be yours, and your aiding and abetting of his claimant-bashing affects others.

My time is my own to account for. I reply to whichever thread and poster I choose to.

As for your accusation of 'aiding and abetting bigboybrother's claimant bashing' - no 'bashing done in my reply to BBB except for those people detailed in his alleged family and other examples who were committing benefit fraud.
If you think people like that don't deserve 'bashing' then there's no wonder you think Britain has become 'mean and bitter'.

You obviously think the Government should open the purse to anyone (daughters claiming they're single parents but have a partner living with them or wives who 'have a job on the side' etc etc) and be damned to paying money to those people who really are entitled to it - who I have no issue with (which you appear to have overlooked).

clemmatis wrote: »

You have (reasonably accurate) data? You know or have good reason to know that a substantially higher percentage of claimants commit fraud now than did then? You believe the climate whipped up by (much of) the media and by governments has nothing to do with the

Do you know, I'm going to look into this and see what i can find.

Do you have (reasonably accurate) data or good reason to know differently?

clemmatis

Pollycat wrote: »

You obviously think the Government should open the purse to anyone (daughters claiming they're single parents but have a partner living with them or wives who 'have a job on the side' etc etc) and be damned to paying money to those people who really are entitled to it -

"Obviously"? Really? I'm not going to dignify your slander with a reply.

who I have no issue with (which you appear to have overlooked).

I didn't overlook it. I didn't think it worthy of comment.

Do you know, I'm going to look into this and see what i can find.

Good.

Pollycat

clemmatis wrote: »

"Obviously"? Really? I'm not going to dignify your slander with a reply.

No slander there (do you mean 'libel'?).

You obviously believe that people saying they are single parents and claiming benefits relative to that status but in reality are living with a partner are not committing benefit fraud.

The DWP think differently:

Benefit theft includes deliberately not telling us:

• you are now living with a partner
• about any savings or not telling us the right amount
• children have left home
• you have started work, or about any earnings
• you have inherited money
• you are going abroad, living abroad, or have changed address.

There are no exceptions. People who knowingly withhold information or deliberately fail to report a change in their circumstances are benefit thieves. It is not ‘playing the game' – it is breaking the law!

so I'll revise my earlier comments from 'fraudsters' to 'thieves' - and that isn't slander either - or libel.

Maybe you or someone close to you is a benefit thief and that is why you object to my posts?

Dogger69

kaya wrote: »

why not try to get your brother locked up in prison and get him a criminal record! you are indeed a sad sad dispicable person, despite the right and wrongs of his actions you want to get him locked up!!!!!!!!!
I am registered disabled , lots of MRI scans and consultant letters so im not some trying it on scrounger and 3 years ago my younger brother decided that in his opinion i want disabled for some reason and "annonymosley" reported me for benefit fraud , i havent spoken to him for 3 years now, havent seen my nieces and wouldnt allow somebody else to pi** on him if he was on fire , he will never set foot in my property again ever and tbh if he was dying i wouldnt bother to go see him, Blood makes people related and loyalty makes them family so are you and your brother family or relations? You need to seriously look at yourself if you are considering doing this and repriortise your life , i had a good relationship with my brother for most of our lives and did everything i could to help him , as for the benefit fraud report i had a good laugh with the fraud investigator and she was in total agreement that my claim was genuine and promised that there wouldnt be any more people watching my house again , thats right, i had fraud investigators sitting opposite my house on several occasions watching me who stuck out like a sore thumb with a jumbo bag of crisps, sun newspaper and bald head with stripey top which is why i recognised him from some benefit fraudster programme on BBC1 . I despair at what society has become when people are happy to report their family with the possibility of imprisonment simply because they are claiming a few quid that you think they aren't entitled to , you should be ashamed of yourself by even contemplating this sick behaviour on your own family.

What a bizarre post. You didn't actually read the OP did you? The OP has absolute proof of benefit fraud, there is nothing "dispicable" about reporting someone for committing a crime.

StormyWeather_2

Morlock wrote: »

It's extremely unlikely.

Yes, I think it's unlikely too.

I think it's more likely that the OP isn't an accurate account of a real life situation.

clemmatis

Pollycat wrote: »

No slander there (do you mean 'libel'?).

I was speaking loosely. Yes, libel is more accurate. It's also of course a more serious tort. Anyway;

You obviously believe that people saying they are single parents and claiming benefits relative to that status but in reality are living with a partner are not committing benefit fraud.

Would you care to provide ONE piece of evidence, just ONE, that I believe that? I really can't see why
anyone in their right mind would think I believe it. But as you do: quote something I said to that effect.

so I'll revise my earlier comments from 'fraudsters' to 'thieves' - and that isn't slander either - or libel.

Ah. I see. Your reading comprehension's weak. I suggest you re-read posts 26 and 27; you'll find my contention was that you'd libelled (your term) *me*.

Maybe you or someone close to you is a benefit thief and that is why you object to my posts?

And now you have libelled me.