Full Time Education????

carlos700

A friend of mine has a son age 17 who is doing an appreticeship as a builder and as part of his training he goes to college i am not sure if it is one day a week or two but she said she claims her tax credits as he is in full time education because it is classed as full time for tax credits is this right.

I know he also gets a wage of about £100 per week .Is he classed as a child at 17 .

TheWaltons_3

carlos700 wrote: »

A friend of mine has a son age 17 who is doing an appreticeship as a builder and as part of his training he goes to college i am not sure if it is one day a week or two but she said she claims her tax credits as he is in full time education because it is classed as full time for tax credits is this right.

I know he also gets a wage of about £100 per week .Is he classed as a child at 17 .

No she shouldn't be getting CTC - a Modern Apprenticeship is not full time, nor further education.

They have to be in college over 16 hours a week for it to be classed as full time, don't they?

DazzerG

Full time education
Young people aged 16 to 19 (or those who are under age 20 and started their current course before they turned 19) are regarded as being in full time, non-advanced education if they are studying;
• at school or college, or a similar recognised establishment
• for a qualification up to and including A level, NVQ level 3 or Scottish national qualifications at higher or advanced higher level or equivalent. This does not include studying for a university degree or similar qualification.
• for at least 12 hours a week during normal term time, not including meal breaks or time spent on unsupervised study.

A young person still counts as being in full time education in any week where;
• as a part of the curriculum they are on holiday or preparing for exams
• they are away from school or college due to sickness or ill-health but are intending to return to that course of education.
• they have ended one course of education but have registered for another one starting in the following term, and the only reason for not currently studying is that they are waiting for that course to start.

Approved training courses
Young people aged 16 to 19 (or those who are under age 20 and started their current course before they turned 19) are regarded as being in approved training, if the course is one of the following and is not provided through a contract of employment:
• England – Entry to Employment or Programme Led Pathways
• Scotland – Get Ready for Work, Skillseekers or Modern Apprenticeships
• Wales – Foundation Modern Apprenticeships, Skillbuild or Skillbuild+
• Northern Ireland – Access or Jobskills Traineeships.

C_Ronaldo

TheWaltons wrote: »

No she shouldn't be getting CTC - a Modern Apprenticeship is not full time, nor further education.

They have to be in college over 16 hours a week for it to be classed as full time, don't they?

I knw thats right for claiming JSA but cant say for CTC

TheWaltons_3

The Modern Apprenticeship the original poster is referring to, is provided by the employer - hence the lad earning £100 a week.

Modern Apprenticeships offered by the government, give a small amount of money to the person to cover their travel expenses etc to get there.


This lady, claiming CTC for her son.. is NOT entitled.

carlos700

Thanks for your reply it is just as i thought .I argued my point to her but she would not have it .I would also suspect that she should be declaring his income which is going into the house is this right ?I cannot understand how she has got away with this for the last year do they not check ?

zobo_3

I'm not sure where the OP's friend lives but my understanding of it is that, in scotland anyway, a Modern apprenticeship is classed as approved training and therefore they would still be entitled to child benefit and ctc.

I may be wrong but if i am i can understand why the OP's friend thinks she is still entitiled

tosca5

zobo wrote: »

I'm not sure where the OP's friend lives but my understanding of it is that, in scotland anyway, a Modern apprenticeship is classed as approved training and therefore they would still be entitled to child benefit and ctc.

I may be wrong but if i am i can understand why the OP's friend thinks she is still entitiled

This is what i recently inquired about. If a child 16-19 is on an apprenticeship through an employer then they are not classed as further education. So CTC payments will stop.
CTC payments will continue if they are staying on at school or leave and attend college.
This lad we are discussing is in paid employment and attending an apprenticeship through his employers so it is wrong for his mother to be claiming CTC for him. It will need to be declared in her Annual Tax Credits form.

Gemmzie

CTC and CB should stop. They will claim it back eventually because the child is registered as being on an apprenticeship.

The reason it stops is that it is not full time education and he is being paid for it.

joeblack066

She is not entitled and if she is still getting Child Benefit she is not entitled to that either. My 17 yr old son works 17 hrs a week in a supermarket and all my CB, WTC & CTC stopped. She could be in serious trouble if she does not inform them of the change.

joanneb_2

There are some paid apprenticeships that allow you to claim child tax credits as well, please see the earlier message from Dazzer. It all depends on were you live. The best advice to to get the exact details of the course, eg entry to employment or skill builders etc and contact the helpline who will advise you of your entitlement. If the apprenticeship is organised by an employer who is providing the apprenticeship via a contract of employment then this does not count and tax credits cannot be claimed.