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Thatcher poll: worst or best

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  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Only takes a few people to stir up a media storm. Same old faces on the far left.

    Lets see how the summer pans out. Return to the 70's I suspect.

    Have to have a ballot now so members will have a say.
  • dryhat
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »

    Lets see how the summer pans out. Return to the 70's I suspect.

    Oh....... how I'd love to go back to the 70s

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  • Thrugelmir
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    Have to have a ballot now so members will have a say.

    The hardcore still walk out. Most members don't bother voting and turn up to work.

    Was a Union Rep myself in the 70's. So have seen the Unions from the inside.
  • ukcarper
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    The hardcore still walk out. Most members don't bother voting and turn up to work.

    Was a Union Rep myself in the 70's. So have seen the Unions from the inside.

    I like the way some people on here defend the right of people to avoid paying tax but if you try to defend your pension or working conditions you are the lowest of the low.
  • Thrugelmir
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    I like the way some people on here defend the right of people to avoid paying tax but if you try to defend your pension or working conditions you are the lowest of the low.

    Employment Law along with Health and Safety rules have negated much of what was good about the Unions.

    Tax evasion transcends all classes. Far harder than it use to be. As less transactions are now cash based.

    Simple fact about pensions is that people live longer. So everybody is going to have to contribute more. Brown/Blair avoided the thorny issue of public sector pensions. Raiding the private sector was easy. The first Brown budget saw to that.

    Never had the balls to take the Unions on. In fact no Labour leader has in my lifetime. Blair promised much but failed to deliver change.
  • Thrugelmir
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    dryhat wrote: »
    Oh....... how I'd love to go back to the 70s

    The music............:beer:

    1971 best year of album releases.
  • ukcarper
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    edited 14 April 2013 at 11:02PM
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Employment Law along with Health and Safety rules have negated much of what was good about the Unions.

    Tax evasion transcends all classes. Far harder than it use to be. As less transactions are now cash based.

    Simple fact about pensions is that people live longer. So everybody is going to have to contribute more. Brown/Blair avoided the thorny issue of public sector pensions. Raiding the private sector was easy. The first Brown budget saw to that.

    Never had the balls to take the Unions on. In fact no Labour leader has in my lifetime. Blair promised much but failed to deliver change.

    Public service pensions might be a thorny issue but if you have worked for 30 years with a contract saying you will get a certain pension then that is what you are entitled to.

    Another thing that didn't help private pension funds was employers taking payment holidays when times were good.

    But of course all trade unions and bad and all employers are angels and always give their employees a fair deal.
  • Thrugelmir
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    Public service pensions might be a thorny issue but if you have worked for 30 years with a contract saying you will get a certain pension then that is what you are entitled to.

    I saved for many years in a personal pension plan. Only for it to be raided. So I've little sympathy for public sector pension holders. Who will receive benefits I can only dream of.

    Majority of people that retire at 55 now have worked in the public sector.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    ukcarper wrote: »

    Another thing that didn't help private pension funds was employers taking payment holidays when times were good.

    Weren't they given an effective go ahead by Thatcher and allowed to ravage pension surpluses and take extensive pension holidays when they paid nothing? Shouldn't they have used those days of sunshine to prepare for the rainy days?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    indeed, if you think Mid Staffs is an isolated incident then that would be so.

    I am sure there are one or two more missing targets and not meeting some overly high expectations. IME across 4 (separate geographic locations) hospitals I can't fault them bearing in mind the constraints in which they work

    Perhaps it is a postcode lottery. We have up till now had an excellent PCT, GP surgery and local hospital where we currently live.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
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