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Thatcher poll: worst or best
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I think it is hard for younger people or people who went to grammar schools to known how much the secondary modern schools of the time failed a large proportion of the the children who went to them. If comprehensives were not introduced I doubt that GCSEs would have been introduced.
Ironically, I believe the exam system should be taken back to O-Level standards. The GCSE is a coaching driven exam rather than a subject driven exam.0 -
michael1983l wrote: »Ash did you miss the Since 1973 part of the question then?
I must have done....another brain fart I suppose.....0 -
michael1983l wrote: »Well I failed my 11+ and was taught all 3 sciences, maybe you just went to a bad school?
It is not harder to progress if you develop later, like I said earlier I have gone on to earn a higher wage than all of my friends that went to grammar. I also am an Electronic Engineer. Just because I developed later does not mean that I wish those that develop earlier to be disadvantaged too just out of spite.
I think you are correct that a lot depended on which secondary modern you went to after failing.
I recall getting very stressed for my 11+ as there was a perception that this was a life changing event. I later learned that my teacher had told my parents that they expected me to fail it because of my nervous disposition. I have never thought that an examination at 11 was a fair way of dealing with educational opportunity. I take your point that their were processes to deal with late developers but I never found anyone who did this. As it happened I did not think I would pass either but surprised myself and my teachers by passing it (quite comfortably the teacher said.). But I have always favoured comprehensive education as being fairer as its far easier within one school to transition between ability streams.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
When Grammar schools were universal a large number of secondary schools did not allowed students to take O levels and access to A levels was almost non existent.
I was lucky mine allowed access to 0 levels but less than 30% were given the opertunity and A levels were out of the question.
At my school we had a couple of lads who came into our sixth form, from a secondary of some description to do O levels in the core subjects only having being able to do CSE before."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I wonder how many of those with such strong opinions were adults when she was in power, or are basing their ideas on passed down hearsay?0
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When Grammar schools were universal a large number of secondary schools did not allowed students to take O levels and access to A levels was almost non existent.
I was lucky mine allowed access to 0 levels but less than 30% were given the opertunity and A levels were out of the question.
This was certainly true. One of the factors that schools had to consider was the likelihood of passing and the local authority had to pay an entrance fee for each candidate. They assumed that most would enter most mainstream exams from Grammar schools but had unofficial quotas for secondary modsFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I wonder how many of those with such strong opinions were adults when she was in power, or are basing their ideas on passed down hearsay?
My views are heavily influenced by her policies causing my father to be made redundant in his late fifties, family experiences of the degenerating NHS and the callous treatment of a disabled friend during her reign.
But to be fair my attitude has mellowed with time:)Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I wonder how many of those with such strong opinions were adults when she was in power, or are basing their ideas on passed down hearsay?
I was there."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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