Police rules?

ifstar

Not worth arguing, bitemebankers seems to have a bit of a bee in his/her bonnet about this issue despite being told by numerous people that it's allowed.

Had they been trying the OP's door and looking about her house then absolutely, but they can come in and look in the garden without permission.

BAGGY

OK. let me throw this one in. Just suppose that there had been a murder down your street by, say, a vagrant or not a neighbour. Someone not local. They had thrown the offending weapon over your garden and done a runner. Because they were unable to acess you garden and retrieve the knife crucial DNA had been lost and the murderer never tracked down.
I think too many people are far too quick to jump on the backs of the Police and give them a slagging off (not you OP). I think they do a fantastic job for !!!!!! money, long hours and no thanks. I used to work in the Met in an office and got more per hour than the PC I sat next to who was breaking into crack houses and risking his life against drug dealers, infected syringes and dangerous dogs, whilst I used to drink tea. My risk was getting caught having to make the whole office tea if I timed it wrong. Please give them a break. They are not all thugs with attitude.

aileth

If I'm really honest, I might get a padlock just so next time I can watch some lovely-handsome Police Officers exerting themself over my fence. I better have the Diet Coke at the ready!

bitemebankers

ifstar wrote: »

Not worth arguing, bitemebankers seems to have a bit of a bee in his/her bonnet about this issue

What I have a problem with is the fact that it's trespassing and it's extremely rude.

despite being told by numerous people that it's allowed.

Numerous? Have you actually read the thread? No, I didn't think so.

A handful of police apologists cutting and pasting regulations they don't really understand on an internet forum does not negate the truth. It's a simple case of trespass. End of.

ifstar

Yeah, numerous. Quite a few folk have said so.

A police hater cutting and pasting regulations that they don't really understand on an internet forum does negate the truth either.

No force was required to open the gate, they were not entering her property so no warrant or invitation was needed.

Sounds like you have a definite problem with the police, but you can quite happily get up to whatever is causing your concerns behind closed doors and they won't bother you.

ifstar

aileth wrote: »

If I'm really honest, I might get a padlock just so next time I can watch some lovely-handsome Police Officers exerting themself over my fence. I better have the Diet Coke at the ready!

I appreciate you aren't making as big an issue about this as someone else, but if nothing else then at least it does show your garden isn't as secure as you had thought. If the police can get in then a thief could get in and having a lock on will make your garden less accessible and attractive as someone further along the road who doesn't have one.

coolcait

I know it's not really the point of the thread, but I agree with all those who have pointed out that your garden's not as secure as you might have thought.

I had a similar experience a few months ago. We have a high fence round the back garden, with a gate between our garden and the neighbour's side.

It has a very secure-looking bolt on it (originally fitted to stop the damn gate clattering about in the wind!), which has pretty much rusted over now that our kids and the neighbour kids are getting too old and too cool to play outside.

On the odd occasion that I'm called on to open the gate, it takes several minutes of struggle to even move the bolt....

The window cleaners just hop over the fence, and open the gate without trying! :eek:

Leaving me to struggle to put the bolt back in place again - to stop the damn gate clattering in the wind. :mad:

rochja

Why would bitemebankers assume I don't understand PACE? As a border control officer working alongside the police I was required to comply with it. Another allegation he cannot substantiate

Yorkie1

Quote:
Originally Posted by fluffnutter
I didn't think trespass was illegal.

bitemebankers wrote: »

It is. It's a civil rather than a criminal offence though, so it's up to you to seek redress through the courts.

If you are going to correct people, please get the terminology right.

"Illegal" = a criminal offence, contrary to criminal law.

"Unlawful" = civil matter.

Trespass per se is NOT a criminal offence. It is a civil matter. Therefore to state it is "illegal" is inaccurate. It is potentially "unlawful".

The criminal law only comes in for offences such as Aggravated Trespass, which is not what is being described in this thread.

TiddlyPom

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Sounds as if he was telling you a load of porkies.

Warrants usually include the whole of a property known as 36 Acacia Avenue (for example), and therefore include all of that.

Of all the warrants I've ever seen, they all either state that all of a particular property is covered, or they are multi-premises warrants, covering all addresses owned or controlled by John Smith.

No police / customs officer with a functioning brain cell would apply for a warrant which covered only a house, and excluded the garden.

They may have been "stretching" to get the warrant and the magistrate may have only agreed to the apply the warrant to the house itself and exclude the garden etc.

I used to live near a busy road and one Saturday afternoon was gardening and saw a scruffy lad vault the 5-bar gate on the stable field, closely followed by a flurry of police. One copper was rather slower than the rest and it transpired he had lost a shoe in the mud. I did say to him that if they told me they were coming I would have opened the gate.
"If I had known I was coming, I would have put on ***ing boots" came the less than impressed reply.