Living on £53 a week?

Pollycat

iwb100 wrote: »

Well don't post statements that aren't true then.

<<Sigh>>

It's your opinion that I've posted statements that aren't true.

iwb100

Pollycat wrote: »

<<Sigh>>

It's your opinion that I've posted statements that aren't true.

It's not an opinion. You wrote that this government were "looking for answers" to a "problem" that the previous government didn't.

I've explained at length why that isn't the case. However, you've chosen to ignore that.

seven-day-weekend

iwb100 wrote: »

It's not an opinion. You wrote that this government were "looking for answers" to a "problem" that the previous government didn't.

I've explained at length why that isn't the case. However, you've chosen to ignore that.

But what you have posted is only your opinion. Pollycat has as much right to an opinion as you do. It IS rude to call it nonsense.

I had similar insults yesterday, when I told my husband what the poster in question had said (questioning my reasoning powers etc), he said it was bullying and browbeating.

iwb100

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

But what you have posted is only your opinion. Pollycat has as much right to an opinion as you do. It IS rude to call it nonsense.

I had similar insults yesterday, when I told my husband what the poster in question had said (questioning my reasoning powers etc), he said it was bullying and browbeating.

Granted and I am perfectly entitled to think that opinion is "nonsense".

Someone can have an opinion say that the world is "flat". They are entitled to hold that opinion. Doesn't make it any more correct.

If you have an opinion and are challenged on it, then defend it if you want. Otherwise expect it to be challenged.

Pollycat

iwb100 wrote: »

It's not an opinion. You wrote that this government were "looking for answers" to a "problem" that the previous government didn't.

I've explained at length why that isn't the case. However, you've chosen to ignore that.

You're wrong!

I've chosen to ignore you.

I don't enter into dialogue with anyone who tells me that I'm speaking (or writing) 'nonsense'.

iwb100

Pollycat wrote: »

You're wrong!

I've chosen to ignore you.

I don't enter into dialogue with anyone who tells me that I'm speaking (or writing) 'nonsense'.

Well that's your opinion.............:rotfl:

kafkathecat

Pollycat, you find teen pregnancy and drinking amonst people who have no hope of things getting better. Nothing to look forward to. And even setting that aside. What you are supporting is making children poorer to punish their parents. You seem so angry with those at the bottom of society whilst those at the top are becoming richer and those who caused the economic problems we face have had a tax cut.
I'm not sure there is much point continuing as you seem to have your mind made up but I always try to consider how I would feel in another person's shoes and what would make me behave in ways that cause more harm than good. Never believe that it can't happen to you.

FatVonD

kafkathecat wrote: »

whilst those at the top are becoming richer and those who caused the economic problems we face have had a tax cut.

That is totally wrong too but doesn't mean the benefits culture shouldn't be tackled because the amounts are bigger. That's like saying that because the Faroe Islanders slaughter whales it's okay to ignore your neighbour beating their dog.

I don't think anybody is advocating reducing benefits to only 2 children for familes who have existing larger families but something clearly needs to be done to stop people in future from carrying on producing children when they already aren't supporting the ones they have.

Pollycat

kafkathecat wrote: »

Pollycat, you find teen pregnancy and drinking amonst people who have no hope of things getting better. Nothing to look forward to.

On the contrary, many teenagers who get pregnant have a lot to look forward to - social housing, benefits etc etc.

kafkathecat wrote: »

And even setting that aside. What you are supporting is making children poorer to punish their parents.

I'm not supporting anything.

kafkathecat wrote: »

You seem so angry with those at the bottom of society whilst those at the top are becoming richer and those who caused the economic problems we face have had a tax cut.

I'm not angry with anybody, let alone the people 'at the bottom of society'.

How many times do I have to say that I don't think what is being implemented is the right way to go?
If I say this - I don't think what is being implemented is the right way to go - will you stop trying to put words into my mouth?

kafkathecat wrote: »

I'm not sure there is much point continuing as you seem to have your mind made up but I always try to consider how I would feel in another person's shoes and what would make me behave in ways that cause more harm than good. Never believe that it can't happen to you.

Please yourself whether you continue or not.

I didn't realise that it was necessary to attempt to 'convert' another poster to your own point of view on a thread and if you weren't successful, then you threw the towel in. :cool:

I do, however, think it's well overdue that the Government - any Government - starts addressing paying benefits to those people who aren't eligible for them.

kafkathecat

But FVD that will still punish the children for the parent's behaviour. And if you have 4 which you can afford and then you lose your job, what then? If you wanted to target only people who had children whilst on benefits that ignores the fact that most people move in and out of work so where would your cut off point be and how would you administer it. Until there are enough jobs every 'scrounger' pushed into a job is one less vacancy for someone desperate for work.
Lastly, your comparison doesn't quite work because it is the greed at the top which is causing the poverty at the bottom. The wealth gap is the largest it has been since the 1920s which led to the 1930s depression. When people don't have money to spend the economy suffers. Many businesses use workfare and zero hours contracts to keep their costs low forcing employees to claim more benefits which come from our taxes as businesses are adept at paying very little tax. This causes resentment for the poor by taxpayers. All in all we are in a bit of a mess.