Parking ticket from UKCPS

spacey2012

The one word experts, with the word IGNORE.
This advice has batted off Hundreds of thousands of fake parking tickets.
It is also a good legal position as it offers no acceptance of the charge, no consideration of contract and no admission of liability.
The PPC does not know what you do or how hard you will fight back if they chance it.
Evidence shows that PPC's will pick on those they can identify as soft targets to attempt court.
Those who write back begging, giving insight in to who they are and what they do, those who's letters come back as not at this address are also an easy target for trying the chance card in a civil court.
Those who Ignore them 100% show the PPC that they know exactly what this is, a scam.
Who would you choose to take on, someone crumbling who has spent months jumping hoops, filing appeals with the Kangaroo court popla and lost.
Or someone who knows exactly what they are and legal position is, that the ticket is a speculative invoice demand for an illegal penalty and show it the time of day it deserves.
To be put in the nearest bin with all the other junk mail and fake Canadian lottery wins.

My advice is To ignore 100% and hit them back fast and hard if they chance to carry out any of the threats, because that is what you do with all bullies, you ignore them until they hit you, then you sit them straight on their backsides with a bloody nose.

Guys dad, I said what I said, trying to put your words in to others mouths, wont win you any battles.
Nor shall I answer to it.

Guys_Dad

spacey2012 wrote: »

The one word experts, with the word IGNORE.
This advice has batted off Hundreds of thousands of fake parking tickets.
It is also a good legal position as it offers no acceptance of the charge, no consideration of contract and no admission of liability.
The PPC does not know what you do or how hard you will fight back if they chance it.
Evidence shows that PPC's will pick on those they can identify as soft targets to attempt court.
Those who write back begging, giving insight in to who they are and what they do, those who's letters come back as not at this address are also an easy target for trying the chance card in a civil court.
Those who Ignore them 100% show the PPC that they know exactly what this is, a scam.
Who would you choose to take on, someone crumbling who has spent months jumping hoops, filing appeals with the Kangaroo court popla and lost.
Or someone who knows exactly what they are and legal position is, that the ticket is a speculative invoice demand for an illegal penalty and show it the time of day it deserves.
To be put in the nearest bin with all the other junk mail and fake Canadian lottery wins.

My advice is To ignore 100% and hit them back fast and hard if they chance to carry out any of the threats, because that is what you do with all bullies, you ignore them until they hit you, then you sit them straight on their backsides with a bloody nose.

Guys dad, I said what I said, trying to put your words in to others mouths, wont win you any battles.
Nor shall I answer to it.

I am 100% behind you in your endeavours to stop people being scammed. No question.

I have just 3 things where I am at a slight difference from you.

1. You wrote "DISABLED BADGES ARE NOT VALID ON ANY PRIVATE LAND OR CAR PARK.". Now I know what you mean re the Blue Badge scheme. However, most Private car parks DO accept the Blue Badge or other disabled badges as being valid. It is when you don't display them that they pounce on you. Wrongly, of course, but it was just reading that sentence as it came across.

2. I disagree with you in your advice to bin it. No. Keep it somewhere safe, filed, along with all the other letters you get from them just in case you are the 0.001% who do find they take you to court. Then you would want all documentation to help your case.

3. There are two schools of thought on how to deal, apart from paying. IGNORE or APPEAL through POPLA. Both have their upsides and downsides. I am completely with you when you say about submitting a poor appeal. You need to use either factual foundations such as poor contracts , signage failure or procedural mistakes that they have made to win at POPLA. But you can win, as the results have shown. The other point here is that we are all different. Some people really do get stressed when they get the PCN and get more stressed with the follow up of letters and threats. And it doesn't matter what anyone here says about IGNORE and DON'T WORRY or BIN IT. For these people, as well as those who want to cause them grief or fancy their chances at POPLA, there needs to be an alternative.

So, I am not trying to put words into your mouth. Your advice is good. So is a proper POPLA appeal route. We don't need to fall out over it as our aims are the same and some people will go your route, some POPLA. AS long as they all win in the end. :beer:

Dublindel

We choose to differ on approach, but you have given a reply and explained it which is what the poster needs. And I have seen many one word or very short answers thay do not explain thier reasons. I read many more threads on here and the other Forums of court papers so POPLA is simply another door through which we pass to achieve our goals. If the PPC loses thier claim and continues to chase or bypasses POPLA, then suspension follows. Our approach may be different but the end goal remains the same

spacey2012

The POPLA advice is getting someone else to fight your battle.
As a PPC has not put a POPLA rejection to a court yet we wont know what memmo the district judges have been given in relation to POPLA rejections.
We also dont know how many have been rejected by POPLA.
What I can say is it is very hard to say you were not a party to a contract you have just spent 3 months appealing and arguing against.
Another point is all it will ever do is reset the loop for the next victim.

Attacking points such as planning permission and rateable values with your local council is the battle you should be fighting, we all should and you dont need a PPC fake ticket to do so.
Free car parks attract a very low or Zero rateable value, so why are they giving people charge notices in free car parks and avoiding paying the correct rates ?
Take them on, argue the council, badger the councillors, write to local papers.

Shut them down.

GUYS dad, all the information you are so confused about on Blue parking badges can be found here :
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/36876/blue-badge-rights-responsibilities.pdf

Blue badges have no legal standing on private land or car parks, to penalise someone for not displaying one on private land that is disabled is against the law.
It may be good practice do so as is not parking in bays painted to copy disabled bays on private car parks, but the penalties are no more valid.

Stroma

Dublindel wrote: »

We choose to differ on approach, but you have given a reply and explained it which is what the poster needs. And I have seen many one word or very short answers thay do not explain thier reasons. I read many more threads on here and the other Forums of court papers so POPLA is simply another door through which we pass to achieve our goals. If the PPC loses thier claim and continues to chase or bypasses POPLA, then suspension follows. Our approach may be different but the end goal remains the same

But Popla is ONLY for England and Wales post October 2012, if the ticket falls outside of that then a simple ignore is the best policy. And if it does meet the criteria for a Popla appeal as in being an AOS operator, its not necessarily the best option, each case is on its own merits.

I don't believe its in the best interests for the OP of this thread to go there, as this company has a tendency to go after disabled drivers who forgets to show badges etc, this user didn't have a badge even. Popla will look at this and say, yes a breach of the terms and find for the parking company imo .

So with a win there, plus an increase cost of £32.40 I do think that they will go for a small claim, so popping your head above the parapet will increase the chances of it happening, this may happen anyway for the OP as she has given enough info in the first post to maybe identify her. We shall see

Guys_Dad

spacey2012 wrote: »

GUYS dad, all the information you are so confused about on Blue parking badges can be found here :
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/36876/blue-badge-rights-responsibilities.pdf

Blue badges have no legal standing on private land or car parks, to penalise someone for not displaying one on private land that is disabled is against the law.
It may be good practice do so as is not parking in bays painted to copy disabled bays on private car parks, but the penalties are no more valid.

I am NOT confused about Blue badges at all. Your statement "DISABLED BADGES ARE NOT VALID ON ANY PRIVATE LAND OR CAR PARK." is incorrect.

Let me explain why.

Straight question - How would I as a disabled driver parking in a disabled parking space be absolutely sure I would not get a ticket in the first place?

The answer is that PPCs have said that Blue Badges are a valid means to avoid getting a ticket. That means, by default, that a Blue Badge, to them, is a valid means of avoiding a ticket.

But that does not mean that you need a Blue Badge to avail yourself of a disabled parking space, but if you have one, then that almost guarantees you won't get a ticket, which is what most disabled people would like. As far as your point "It may be good practice do so as is not parking in bays painted to copy disabled bays on private car parks, but the penalties are no more valid". I am completely in agreement with you and have never disputed that.

Your link https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/36876/blue-badge-rights-responsibilities.pdf says on page 17

"Off-street car park operators should provide parking spaces for disabled people. However, it is up to the car park owner to decide whether badge holders can park free of charge.
Do not assume you can always park for free."

So, if the PPC accepts Blue Badges, that makes them valid in their eyes. The fact that they don't seem to accept anything else makes them breaking the law.

The problem is that we both understand the same thing, but I simply said that your statement about Blue Badges not being valid was not well worded and it is misleading to those who are new to this area.

Guys_Dad

Stroma wrote: »

I don't believe its in the best interests for the OP of this thread to go there, as this company has a tendency to go after disabled drivers who forgets to show badges etc, this user didn't have a badge even. Popla will look at this and say, yes a breach of the terms and find for the parking company imo .

I agree with you in this particular case. There are no grounds for a POPLA appeal, except any mistakes in process, signage, etc.

Ignore is the best route here. That, of course, was not the point I was making with spacey2012.

Erginus

Keep your head down on this one Konspiracy. And don't give us any info that could identify you, even your gender! One of our mates, BASFORDLAD lost his disabled badge UKCPS POPLA. Check out Post # 3 in Aaron Aadvark's excellent sticky POPLA Decisions.

Aaron_Aadvark wrote: »

The Appellant not having disputed or referred to the facts in any way, I mustfind as a fact that, at the material time, a valid disabled badge was requiredto be displayed on the vehicle but was not visible. This was a breach of theterms and conditions of parking.

Conrad1

Hi guys,

Just returned home to find I have a letter from the car hire company stating I didn't pay a parking fine.
At the time I had a hire car and switch cars a lot due to work.
In the apartment block I live in UKCPS 'run' the car park and we display permits. I have not had the permit in the window before and been fined...and stupidly paid but this time the circumstances are different.
1. Due to swapping cars a lot I put the permit on the dash, not stuck in the window, and at the time of the fine I did have the permit on the dash.
2. There was never a ticket stuck to my car so I had no idea about the fine which was a month ago till yesterday when the hire car co sent me a letter that UKCPS sent them.

The bill is now £100 and they have my address from the hire car co.

Where I live we pay rent which includes parking within the cost so have never been happy about this situation and last time I was fined I appealed stating this but they refused, so I paid.
Now, looking into how much of a joke company they are, and reading the posts I am definitely not giving them a penny more!!! And I am so annoyed I have done in the past, really don't hope I see one of them checking the cars one night as I don't think I would be able to stay calm the robbing scum!!!

The reason I am posting is that I haven't come across any other fines in apartment blocks yet so just want to make sure I'm am doing the right thing... INGORE!!!

Any info on this would be much appreciated to a newby.

Thx.

Guys_Dad

Please start a new thread and be a bit more explicit about whether or not the hire company's bill is £100 or if it is UKCPS and state whether or not you have had an initial letter from UKCPS.