Fed up with whinging speeders ?

AndieJagain

Hapless wrote: »

Many schools these days have a 20mph when the school crossing sign is flashing.
If you are driving the same route at 3am at 40mph, bear in mind that most schools are in built up residential areas and you are breaking the the law.

It amuses me that many drivers (many not all) will say "oh I never do anything illegal but....." then they go on to say how they drive by exceeding the speed limit!

and that very system would not be required if the kids crossed the road correctly, but no, because the ignorant little turds far too often just wander out in front of cars (sometimes deliberatley - I used to clean at a school & had to slam on 7-8 times a week due to teens kids just crossing ragardless). Is it any wonder some of them do get run over?, but it can't be the kids fault, no, they shouldn't have used the crossing provided, nor should the stop look and listen, stuff that, blame the driver & ,make them get out & push the car. tell you what, lets chuck in a few sky high road humps to destroy the cars suspension while where at it, that'll help them brake, and it'll posh the car nose up so high they can't see the kid running at them either.

and why does the area have to be a permanent 20 zone?, it's only required approx 15 hrs a week, out of 168!, why not at the relevent times only?, we can do it with bus lanes.

hamletcigars

exel1966 wrote: »

It doesn't say anywhere in law that you have to drive at the maximum, but it does say in law, there is a MINIMUM (on certain roads) and you should have due care and attention for other road users.

really??never heard that before

AndieJagain

Keith wrote: »

Speed doesn't kill, it's the item that stops you.

A road next to us has been reclassified as a 50mph road, its now dangerous for me to drive down it at 60mph which I've done for years because two drunk kids crashed and killed their passengers. There is even a sign saying slow down, at the slightest bend. I still drive at 60-70mph down that road, is it dangerous? No.

Is it safe to drive at 80-90mph on British Motorways? Yes. The only proplem is people who don't speed, they should know their place which is the left lane, lane 1.

motorways, I personally feel SAFER at 90 than 70.
take the m74 for instance, noramlly 3 lanes, and very little traffic, I drive at 70, I find the trip boring, my mind starts to wander, I become unsafe, put simply, there is not enough information entering my brain to keep it occupied, but at 90, there's more going in, and that makes, to me, the difference.

also, this road is hardly an accident blackspot, yet there is a lot of mobile camera sites, they're not there to improve safety, they are there purely for revenue.

oldbill1969

It seems to me that theres a lot of people here trying to justify driving in excess of the speed limit, however I think the point is being lost on them. The speed limit is exactly that - limit, set in stone and part of our laws. If you exceed the limit you know you are breaking the law so why do it ? I kinow lets abolish all the speed limits and leave it to the disgression of drivers, to travel at a speed that they feel is safe to do and lets see the results. If the limits were raised on say motorways to 80-90 mph we would have the same people wanting to go just that bit faster because they feel its safe to do so. I note from some of the arguments about driving speeds that there are some good drivers who are trained to a higher standard than most, however you are in the minority and there are more peope who are not trained to advanced level than those that are.

daleyd

It seems to me there are a lot of people on here talking a lot of sense about the relevance of speed limits, and how the police force (Who never of course do anything to break the law. Like speeding. At 140 MPH. On the M54. Oh no.) seem to have jumped onto this cash cow and are now milking it for all it's worth.

Whatever your point, the fact is that people will continue to speed. Whether it is because they feel the need to break the law, or whether they are using their in built common sense and travelling at a speed which they think is appropriate for the situation, they will do it. As long as they do it, they will continue to look for ways to evade punishment.

I just hope for your own sake that you never get caught doing 32 in a 30 or end up getting done for a bulb out or something.

But then you probably wouldn't, would you.

As your user name suggests.

AndieJagain

oldbill1969 wrote: »

It seems to me that theres a lot of people here trying to justify driving in excess of the speed limit, however I think the point is being lost on them. The speed limit is exactly that - limit, set in stone and part of our laws. If you exceed the limit you know you are breaking the law so why do it ? I kinow lets abolish all the speed limits and leave it to the disgression of drivers, to travel at a speed that they feel is safe to do and lets see the results. If the limits were raised on say motorways to 80-90 mph we would have the same people wanting to go just that bit faster because they feel its safe to do so. I note from some of the arguments about driving speeds that there are some good drivers who are trained to a higher standard than most, however you are in the minority and there are more peope who are not trained to advanced level than those that are.

the restrictions may be law, buit they are based on the braking distance of a ford anglia, well before abs, with old style tyres, suspension, road surfaces and so on, these need badly updating. 90 as a motorway limit would be sufficient for most, you wouldn't find that many people going beyond that who don't already anyway.

further more, why is it hgv drivers feel the need to overtake at 56 another wagon doing 55?, thus taking half an hour to do so?

conradmum

daleyd wrote: »

But how can you say any of this is down to speed cameras? Car safety, general improvements in road layout, better tyres etc could all have contributed, no?

Errrm. I didn't say it was all down to speed cameras. I was pointing out the misunderstanding of the statistics.

conradmum

marty1888 wrote: »

and how exactly do you do that if they are constantly driving AT the speed limit??

Sorry but what a breathtakingly stupid answer.
If they're driving at the speed limit WHY ARE YOU OVERTAKING THEM?

daleyd

conradmum wrote: »

Errrm. I didn't say it was all down to speed cameras. I was pointing out the misunderstanding of the statistics.

I didn't say all, I said any.

And you did.

Had speed cameras etc. had no effect, the amount of fatalities would have increased in number in line with the increase in number of journeys taken.

Mark7799

As usual, these threads then move into different arguments which people forget aren't the same thing.

1. The enforcement policy of the current limits (surely not a point for discussion - the Law is the Law, regardless of what any individual thinks of it)
2. The relevance of speed limits, many of which were set in the 1960's, to today's driving.
3. That accidents ARE caused by factors other than inappropriate speed (not the same as speeding).

Is the OP only looking at point 1 above?