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Osborne Changes Course Pretending Not To

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  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    So it appears even a slight step back i living conditions is now the defintion of austerity.

    I would have thought it meant austere conditions.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    So it appears even a slight step back i living conditions is now the defintion of austerity.

    It's all relative.
    I would have thought it meant austere conditions.

    I imagine conditions are pretty austere for many, particularly those who have lost jobs as a result of the cuts.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

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  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    ILW wrote: »
    So it appears even a slight step back i living conditions is now the defintion of austerity.

    I would have thought it meant austere conditions.

    It is all relative.

    If you haven't had a pay increase in 6 years, like many in the NHS, then that is also going to take it's toll. Those staff are also facing pay cuts in the shape of increased pension contributions for poorer pensions.

    No doubt their purchasing power has been eroded as well as their future aspirations.

    Against this we have high inflation (above CPI/RPI) in necessary commodities energy, fuel, food, commuting.

    So many are suffering erosion in living standards. Austerity is the wrong word perhaps.
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  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    It is all relative.

    If you haven't had a pay increase in 6 years, like many in the NHS, then that is also going to take it's toll. Those staff are also facing pay cuts in the shape of increased pension contributions for poorer pensions.

    No doubt their purchasing power has been eroded as well as their future aspirations.

    Against this we have high inflation (above CPI/RPI) in necessary commodities energy, fuel, food, commuting.

    So many are suffering erosion in living standards. Austerity is the wrong word perhaps.

    That I agree with, going out for one less meal a month or hanging on to the same car for a little longer is not austerity in my opinion.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    ILW wrote: »
    That I agree with, going out for one less meal a month or hanging on to the same car for a little longer is not austerity in my opinion.

    So you think that's the typical impact on the few million people who have lost jobs, or had their income severely restricted, as a result of the cuts then?

    I rather suspect that for the majority, you're correct. The cuts will have little impact beyond the cutting back of non essential spending, and perhaps a slightly more frugal lifestyle.

    But there is a significant minority, measured in millions, who will be far worse off than that.

    And the lack of spending from both the majority and the minority is enough to severely limit recovery, causing unemployment to remain far higher than it should, Government expenditure on benefits to rise, and tax receipts to fall.

    Hence why the deficit remains far larger than expected.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

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  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    Regarding voting, I would suspect that the vast majority have seen very little actual effect. Millions are sitting very pretty due to the low mortgage rates due entirely to the recession and are substantially better off and happy to see things continue.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Millions are sitting very pretty due to the low mortgage rates due entirely to the recession and are substantially better off and happy to see things continue.

    That was the case 3 years ago.

    Not so much now that most banks have raised SVR-s for old borrowers and margins on new ones.

    Average mortgage rate now pushing towards 4% again. It was in the 5% range for most of the decade up to 2008.

    I'll agree some are still benefiting. Myself included. But the benefits for most are less than you'd think.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    As said earlier, maybe austerity is just the wrong word for the vast majority of people.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    But the right word for a significant minority measured in millions.

    Not sure that 100% of the population have ever been affected by Austerity, nor that universal suffering was a prerequisite for using it.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Just clicked on London, most seem to be increases in care costs that are around inflation level. Still nothing that I would call austerity. (eg 40s or 50s living standards)

    Says the chirstimas tree light budget was cut in a town up north.
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