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POPLA Decisions

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  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 9 January at 7:29PM
    Nice one!

    Worth copying for other newbies and not just re Lidl Sutton Coldfield.  This is a fairly common error on NTKs relating to large towns or cities.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • LDast
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    I've had two previous successes with these PE NtKs where they do not put a full address. One was for a Lidl in St Albans where there are two stores and another for one in Liverpool where there are quite a few.
  • 1122abc
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    edited 9 January at 8:12PM
    Everyone with a Horizon case should use the same argument. Thanks for being the guinea pig! We knew the argument was right, but POPLA assessors are not always that bright!
    FYI for others reading, I sent my appeal on 17/12/24 with the same argument and Horizon rejected my appeal on 18/12/24. I even referenced the POPLA decision on 17/12/24. I have updated my thread.
  • Coupon-mad
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    1122abc said:
    Everyone with a Horizon case should use the same argument. Thanks for being the guinea pig! We knew the argument was right, but POPLA assessors are not always that bright!
    FYI for others reading, I sent my appeal on 17/12/24 with the same argument and Horizon rejected my appeal on 18/12/24. I even referenced the POPLA decision on 17/12/24. I have updated my thread.
    Yep but nobody expects it to work at first stage.
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  • 1122abc
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    edited 11 January at 5:14PM
    sdg213 said:
    Everyone with a Horizon case should use the same argument. Thanks for being the guinea pig! We knew the argument was right, but POPLA assessors are not always that bright!
    Would sharing excerpts from my appeal help for a template?
    Hello, I would be grateful if you could please share the excerpts? Thank you

    Coupon-mad said:
    Coupon-mad said:
    Yep but nobody expects it to work at first stage.
    Yes you are right, I don't know why I thought it would work. Thank you for your reply

  • Le_Kirk
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    edited 20 January at 10:34AM
    Well done on your successful outcome. Why did the POPLA assessor keep jumping between PN & PCN?
  • LDast
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    edited 20 January at 1:16PM
    Le_Kirk said:
    Well done on your successful outcome. Why did the POPLA assessor keep jumping between PN & PCN?
    Because they are conflating civil law and statutory law. Whilst a positive outcome for the appellant, it still means that POPLA are adjudicating on matters beyond their remit. A PN issued by NCP for an alleged breach of railway byelaws is only a fake PN and is issued unlawfully because it is an extortionate attempt to recover an alleged statutory penalty and have it paid into their own bank account and not the public purse. ie. They are attempting to profit from a criminal matter.

    The practice of unregulated private parking companies such as APCOA, SABA, and NCP issuing Penalty Notices under Railway Byelaws 14 is fundamentally unlawful. These notices are not real penalties but are disguised demands for payment (civil offered contracts) enforced through misleading threats of prosecution. The retention of payments by private operators further undermines the legitimacy of these notices, violating both the statutory framework of Byelaws 14 and consumer protection laws. 
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