Brown's raid on pensions costs Britain £100 billion

StevieJ

DervProf wrote: »

And even better for them, they lost the election, leaving the current government to sort out the mess. Not only that, they now claim that they would now have the economy sorted !

Even better the Tories couldn't gain a majority :eek: what is that saying 'couldn't hit a barn from the inside with the doors closed'

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I've yet to see DLW post anything remotely factual.

Or respond to a single question.

At the time events such as the pension raid received scant coverage. As the economy was apparently booming. Now its not. How the boom was funded will come to light. Wasn't just the banks that went on a spree.

Why does he/she needle you so much? There have been numerous 'pension raids' over the years. I remember Nigel Lawson doing it! Watch 'Inside Job' ....then come back and apologise in your own time.

CLAPTON

Always interesting to note that those criticising the Brown changes to retained / distributed profits never say which taxes they would have increased instead.

Carl31

grizzly1911 wrote: »

What if you are not in a position either physically or mentally make payment or you are not in a position to make payment for financial reasons?

Perhaps if you are on benefits then you would be refused access?

There would obviously be exceptions. But people seem to be able to afford prescription charges. Why not do away with those charges and charge for the initial appointment instead. Those that need treatment would be no worse off, it might make others reconsider whether they really need to visit their gp after all

Andy_L

CLAPTON wrote: »

Always interesting to note that those criticising the Brown changes to retained / distributed profits never say which taxes they would have increased instead.

Or that the removal of ACT relief was a continuation of a policy that Lawson & Major started

grizzly1911

Carl31 wrote: »

There would obviously be exceptions. But people seem to be able to afford prescription charges. Why not do away with those charges and charge for the initial appointment instead. Those that need treatment would be no worse off, it might make others reconsider whether they really need to visit their gp after all

On the occassions I visit my GP or Hospital people tend to fall into:-
- Old - probably exempt
- Children - probably exempt
Many who are also on Doctor requested repeat visits.
- Genuinely sick/injured

I have visited A&E on a Friday night and yes I have seen people worse for wear, through drink, being loud, obnoxious, offensive or a mixture. I don't dispute these and a few stupid people or vulnerable do waste time. Just how big a problem this is I am not so sure in the scheme of things.

Cameron is now saying (R4this morning) that immigrants won't get NHS care for 12 months from arrival.

I would like to know how the hell that will be policed and enforced if they are in genuine need.

Meanwhile:-
NHS reform 'complete waste' warning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21625758

But David Cameron said the Conservatives were committed to the "common ground" on the cost of living, immigration and the NHS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21646275

the whole British political establishment has got to be forced to engage more actively with what ordinary people are feeling.”

There is a sense that the professional, managerial class at Westminster has become completely detached from what real people worry about.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9904372/David-Cameron-needs-to-reconnect-to-the-ordinary-voter-says-senior-backbencher.html

Hall & Oates almost - Out of Touch and I'm (running) out of time.

PaulF81

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Perhaps if you are on benefits then you would be refused access?

Rationed treatment for anything less than 50% payment of ni stamps or 80% attendance at welfare to work if you are on jsa, during your working life would be a good start.
Same for drunks and addicts.

PaulF81

grizzly1911 wrote: »

On the occassions I visit my GP or Hospital people tend to fall into:-
- Old - probably exempt
- Children - probably exempt
Many who are also on Doctor requested repeat visits.
- Genuinely sick/injured

I have visited A&E on a Friday night and yes I have seen people worse for wear, through drink, being loud, obnoxious, offensive or a mixture. I don't dispute these and a few stupid people or vulnerable do waste time. Just how big a problem this is I am not so sure in the scheme of things.

Cameron is now saying (R4this morning) that immigrants won't get NHS care for 12 months from arrival.

I would like to know how the hell that will be policed and enforced if they are in genuine need.

Meanwhile:-
NHS reform 'complete waste' warning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21625758

But David Cameron said the Conservatives were committed to the "common ground" on the cost of living, immigration and the NHS.
.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21646275

the whole British political establishment has got to be forced to engage more actively with what ordinary people are feeling.”

There is a sense that the professional, managerial class at Westminster has become completely detached from what real people worry about.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9904372/David-Cameron-needs-to-reconnect-to-the-ordinary-voter-says-senior-backbencher.html

Hall & Oates almost - Out of Touch and I'm (running) out of time.

Don't come without insurance would be my suggestion

I am funding it for my move to the UAE, why should anyone else be different if they come here? It will keep out the dross who can't afford it to start, and those who can't who were too stupid and risked coming without, well, I take it you have heard about Charles Darwin and his theory right?

CLAPTON

PaulF81 wrote: »

Don't come without insurance would be my suggestion

I am funding it for my move to the UAE, why should anyone else be different if they come here? It will keep out the dross who can't afford it to start, and those who can't who were too stupid and risked coming without, well, I take it you have heard about Charles Darwin and his theory right?

Charles Darwin said nothing about intelligence or ability or having money.

He said that those that survive are survivors.

PaulF81

no he didnt. he said that which had evolved to its surroundings would survive. and you ignored my point regarding paying insurance if you want to come here.