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No, we wouldnt have access to the same level of care, thus the expenditure as a % of GDP would fall, and thus revenues would be available for other government expenditure.
You are right on the cost equation, I dont see why those with their lives ahead of them should be prejudiced by someone who has the majority of their life behind them (and at 70 has a good innings anyhow IMHO compared to a few generations ago).0 -
I have private health insurance and it costs me around £30 a month. Thats for full coverage, everything non-chronic is covered. You wouldn't believe how much faster the private health service is compared to the NHS. To get an appointment with a gastroenterologist on the NHS I had to wait 6 weeks! and then another 4 weeks to have the first diagnostic test.
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How much do you think someone of your age would pay to receive emergency treatment, cover for all accidental injiries, cover for all critical illnesses, cover for all non-critical illnesses(including the initial tests and consultations)?
How much would this cover be with no excesses and no payment caps?
How much would you pay for the same cover if you had two children?
Suppose your mother and father had a history of heart problems? How much would you pay then?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
No, we wouldnt have access to the same level of care, thus the expenditure as a % of GDP would fall, and thus revenues would be available for other government expenditure.
You are right on the cost equation, I dont see why those with their lives ahead of them should be prejudiced by someone who has the majority of their life behind them (and at 70 has a good innings anyhow IMHO compared to a few generations ago).
Ok but suppose you have a 70 year old that post heart surgey would have a good qualiy of kife for 10 years. You would prioritise him over a 40 year old with significant organ failure following 20 years of alcohol and drug abuse?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I agree we would have had the same rubbish NHS hospitals for the average person who would not be expected to live as long as people like us as the waiting lists continued to grow. Nice private hospitals for the well paid -as it should be - and as you say educational standards would be much higher, at least for those who could pay for private education or live in nice areas. The delapidated leaking schools in the inner cities would be there as the safety net in the inner cities. But this would have saved so much money for reducing taxes. I suppose you are right that house prices would have been kept under control, the Tories would have regulated the banks reckless lending, I recall their opposition to the de-regulation of financial institutions that Labour practiced. They said at the time it would all end in failure.
Of course we would (as you say) have had fewer wars. I (like you) remember the opposition of the Tories to all of Blair's wars. I admired the various leaders of the Tories who argued against supporting the UN in Kosovo. I recall the Tory leaders who condemned going to Iraq and Ahghanistan at the time.
Are you suggesting labour spent all the money on infrastructure? What are all these PFI off balance sheet liabilities doing popping up then? If only the focus had been on infrastructure rather than paying the wrong people more money things would be rather better.0 -
'Burning cash on nothing' ....the tory view of spending money on peoples health I presume? Typical!:mad:Every penny spent on the NHS is a penny wasted. It's not investment, its burning cash on nothing.
The very reason I hate the tories so much.
People with tory views tend to use boards like this anonymously because they would never have the gall to express such sentiments in public.0 -
'Burning cash on nothing' ....the tory view of spending money on peoples health I presume? Typical!:mad:
The very reason I hate the tories so much.
People with tory views tend to use boards like this anonymously because they would never have the gall to express such sentiments in public.
Oh, but we do....
At least we didn't slash n burn the economy during the biggest period of growth we had ever seen. Only labour managed that one.0 -
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at the golf club? and the masonic lodge?...when in select company?;)
'slash and burn the economy'....actually there was a healthy level of growth but the reality doesn't matter to people who care so little for others?
How was 'healthy' growth obtained? It wasn't very healthy really was it in hindsight labour groupie....0 -
it's not very healthy to get killed off! Cons Osborne snuffed out the flame of growth that Labour left, leading economists have looked at the trajectory upwards that growth would have taken if the Darling plan had been adhered to - now IMF etc are demanding Osborne return to it. Key to borrowing is getting a return on it! Money makes money, you only get out what you put in and OsBean isnt putting anything in0
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Originally Posted by Moby
....actually there was a healthy level of growth but the reality doesn't matter to people who care so little for others?
Like there is in Europe, Japan and the USA ?
Labours arguments are making them look more and more inept by the day.0
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