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cleggy.

murphydog999 wrote: »

If you want carbs. A med. banana (as an example) has an average G.I. of 52, average calories 95, 23g carbs. Apart from all the natural vitamins and minerals, if it is taken with some natural full-fat yogurt, and some chopped nuts (for additional vits, mins and fibre) the G.I. value comes down, the release is slower, and your gym workout will be all the better for it.

Well you are rather skewed to the 'carbs are bad' society and have said you get paid for advising such to clients, so you would say that ££, so I won't be changing my intake, the same as I wouldn't change to anything the weightwatchers brigade said either :rotfl: I don't do fad eating like low carb-no carb, atkins and all the other crackpot ideas that people get paid for promoting and selling books about.

Carbs are the number 1 fuel for energy regardless of a gi number, if you use it it won't turn to fat. I'll be sure not to go for a 1 hour workout on some nuts and a banana that wont even be digested properly by the time I begin (digestion comes almost to a halt during exercise as the blood is diverted to the muscles being used), that's merely a snack for me.


(all ceareals are supplemented with vits these day to make sure people get a minimum dose. Most people don't cook from scratch anymore so manufacturers have been forced to add them to cereal and bread for the good of the public.)

murphydog999

cleggy. wrote: »

Carbs are the number 1 fuel for energy, if you use it it won't turn to fat. I'll be sure not to go for a 1 hour workout on some nuts and a banana, that's merely a snack for me.

The right carbs, not high G.I. carbs like cornflakes.

If I was advocating low-carb I wouldn't even be mentioning bananas; you have jumped to conclusions about low-carbing and ignored the cold-hard facts that I have given you.

Feel free to ignore the facts and go about your diet the way that you want, that is your prerogative. I might add, just like the obese person outside Greggs eating cake!!

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I'm of the "white carbs and grains are bad" brigade, and agree with MD999.

I still eat lots of fruit, occasional brown rice and occasional potato, but white rice, bread, sugar, cereals and pasta are off the menu. Fat is a better fuel source.

Mind you, I'm also a massive believer in "doing what works for you", so my diet wouldn't suit everyone

HBS x

Lizling

I've noticed I pretty much always agree with what MurphyDog and Heartbreak Star say about diet despite not being a low carber myself, but I do think that what you eat before extended or very hard exercise is a special case re carbs.

I've been experimenting with different breakfasts before my weekend long runs (currently of about 3 hours, so I'll be burning close to a full day's calories here) and I do better on low GI food that I'd normally consider crap (toast and Nutella!) than on my usual higher GI porridge. It's a big difference - I start to feel low on energy about 5 miles earlier with the porridge than with the sugar. This is in spite of there being a gap or around 2 hours between my breakfast and starting the run.

For 1 hour's exercise, I'm not sure if this would apply, but everyone's different and I have seen someone hit the wall after just 40 minutes of really intense exercise, so maybe he does need the boost of easily accessible energy.


Edit: Just wanted to add that all though I'm all for including fat in your diet, it's much harder work to burn it during exercise for most people.

murphydog999

Lizling I agree. Sports nutrition for long period/intense exercise e.g. for 2 hours or more is a different matter; and the use of caffeine and other (natural) stimulants, as well as the use of low and hi G.I. foods before and - just as important - after exercise is worth trialling on an individual basis. For most people, doing an hour at the gym, 'extra' carbs are generally not necessary.

Just to add, the body needs to be adapted to burning fat, rather than carbs, i.e. a low carb way of eating, for fat burning to work effectively.

heartbreak_star

Yup, apparently it takes about 30 days to convert from carb-fuel to fat-fuel.

HBS x

cleggy.

murphydog999 wrote: »

you have jumped to conclusions about low-carbing and ignored the cold-hard facts that I have given you.

They are not cold hard facts, you simply copied and pasted (again) someones opinion you found on a website somewhere.

Earlier you said= that's over 60g of carbs in one sitting :eek:

Yes, so what? 240 k/cals is all that amounts to plus the skimmed milk, not a lot by anyones standards.

How can you make a judgement that 60g is too much for ME when you have not asked my age/weight/height/bmi/ and what exercise I do daily and was actually doing an hour and a bit after I ate it?

You can't.

Do you have a qualification, if so what is it and what website can I check it's authenticity via a register?

I'm beginning to think you may be just a copy and paster that sits behind the keyboard all day and doesn't actually do much else.
I've found that this site has plenty of unqualified armchair experts that barely leave the house and get all the info they spout out from websites written by other people

cleggy.

murphydog999 wrote: »

For most people, doing an hour at the gym, 'extra' carbs are generally not necessary.

That's almost right, complex carbs are not really required for an hours gym.
Simple carbs are ideal for that short term energy requirement, quickly digested and ready to be used.

cleggy.

Lizling wrote: »

I've been experimenting with different breakfasts before my weekend long runs (currently of about 3 hours, so I'll be burning close to a full day's calories here) and I do better on low GI food that I'd normally consider crap (toast and Nutella!) than on my usual higher GI porridge. It's a big difference - I start to feel low on energy about 5 miles earlier with the porridge than with the sugar. This is in spite of there being a gap or around 2 hours between my breakfast and starting the run.

Very interesting. I like to hear 'real world' experience rather than armchair experts.

I saw Graeme Obree on tv a while ago talking about his world record setting cycling career back in the 90's.

He was dispelling a lot of myths about food and supplements. The interviewer asked him what he ate to break his records and he walked into the kitchen, picked up a slice of wholemeal (it looked like wholemeal to me) bread, spread some jam on it and held it up and said 'that' simple carbs to kick you off, the complex ones for the later miles'

So on that basis (coming from his theory) why not try a run next weekend all carbed up with complex carbs but have a dose of simple ones an hour or so before you start. And maybe give yourself longer to digest those complex carbs, maybe 2 hours isn't long enough, try 3 then 4. Look forward to hearing your results.

(by the way, I think you got your high and low Gi mixed up but because you mentioned the actual foods it matters not, I can see what you meant.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Obree

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BMI's a load of tosh anyway.

HBS x