Parked in Staff Bay in error

ILW

spacey2012 wrote: »

If the parking charge is the rate you agree to pay to park.
Where do you pay it ?

The details would be on the invoice, like many business transactions.

Stroma

ILW wrote: »

The details would be on the invoice, like many business transactions.

I'm not aware of businesses that would allow you to have a service without paying for it and then issuing an invoice after. I would exclude businesses that you open an account with for example builders merchants.

ILW

Stroma wrote: »

I'm not aware of businesses that would allow you to have a service without paying for it and then issuing an invoice after. I would exclude businesses that you open an account with for example builders merchants.

Whole industries work on such a basis. Examples being directory and press advertising and many telesales type transactions. Services such as website design quite often are payable after the work is done too.

ManxRed

Invoicing after the service has been provided doesn't seem to make sense if - assuming this happens in Scotland, NI, or the PPC don't follow the PoFA (and most don't) - they have no idea who they are supposed to invoice. Not a great way of collecting fees.

ManxRed

ILW wrote: »

Whole industries work on such a basis. Examples being directory and press advertising and many telesales type transactions. Services such as website design quite often are payable after the work is done too.

To companies who you know, have presumably credit checked and financially vetted beforehand (our company would certainly do this) - not some stranger who's identity you have no idea of.

Mistral001

Coupon-mad wrote: »

And in that example, only the person who owns the house/contracted with the builder can claim that 'loss'. Not his live-in nanny or any other third party who happens to be around at the address - even if live-in nanny puts signs up and prints off an invoice!

There seems to be many different types of firms issuing tickets. In my brief time on this thread there seems to be three types:

1. Legitimate car park management firms who have all the charges worked out and work in close association with the owners. They might actually own the car parks themselves.

2. Those firms that have some sort contract with owners but are greedy or just do not know anything about basic contrat law and put in the proverbal boot with regard to charges for parking in the wrong place.

3. Firms who go onto car parks, uninvited by owners and hand out tickets to people. The owners of the car parks do not prosecute for trespass as they are getting free traffic wardens sorting a out a problem for them.

ILW

ManxRed wrote: »

To companies who you know, have presumably credit checked and financially vetted beforehand (our company would certainly do this) - not some stranger who's identity you have no idea of.

Just because you have not credit checked a client, does not make the invoice any more or less valid. Possibly just harder to collect on.

ManxRed

Good luck with finding a PPC that fits description #1.

I've been on these boards for many years and have yet to see one.

spacey2012

ILW wrote: »

The details would be on the invoice, like many business transactions.

Then they would need a consumer credit licence.
Only business to business transaction can give credit on invoices.

ManxRed

ILW wrote: »

Just because you have not credit checked a client, does not make the invoice any more or less valid. Possibly just harder to collect on.

It still renders your comparison invalid. Who on earth offers services at £100 a pop to people who it may or may not invoice after the event depending on whether it can discover their identity?

You and I both know that these charges are punitive penalties, designed to mimic council parking penalties, and you are frantically scrabbling around trying to prove that this might not be the case IF the language and processes are interpreted differently.

You are not alone though. Lots of PPCs have also been hard at thought on this conundrum for many years now.