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Labour cares about the NHS so much...

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  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Not cost effectively or efficiently mind you.


    Care to give us details were the results are soo much better, for the price paid and provided soo much more efficiently.

    Zagubov has already highlighted Singapore.
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  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    PaulF81 wrote: »
    Exactly. Combined with every Tom, !!!!!! and harry expecting to live to 150 with a limitless NHS budget.

    Some sour news. The budget isnt unlimited and average life expectancies are going to fall.

    77 and 82 don't seem too much to expect as averages in the Western World.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
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  • nicko33
    nicko33 Posts: 1,125 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    Causation isn't correlation.
    Would you like to re-word that?
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    77 and 82 don't seem too much to expect as averages in the Western World.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    it is when you consider what it costs the state to have such a life expectancy.
  • Wookster wrote: »
    Will Labour now apologise for their dreadful mismanagement of the NHS?

    Don't see why they would - they haven't apologised for all the other mismanagement we endured under 13 years of the Blair-Brown regime.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    PaulF81 wrote: »
    it is when you consider what it costs the state to have such a life expectancy.

    As they are averages it would suggest many never reach that age and therefore pay in far more than they take out. Collective cross insurance based on a whole population being more cost effective than personal provision generally.

    Don't worry I am sure that NICE or cash strapped Health Care Authorities won't use taxpayers money on care deemed a waste of money.
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  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    As they are averages it would suggest many never reach that age and therefore pay in far more than they take out. Collective cross insurance based on a whole population being more cost effective than personal provision generally.

    Don't worry I am sure that NICE or cash strapped Health Care Authorities won't use taxpayers money on care deemed a waste of money.

    If its an average half won't. I find it slightly odd that the government Are creating one budget issue (state pensions and longetivity) with another (NHS budget creating longetivity issues in pensions).
  • BobQ
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    edited 21 February 2013 at 12:20AM
    Wookster wrote: »
    ... that both Andy Burnham and Alan Johnson both refused dozens of requests for a public enquiry into the Mid-Staffs hospital because they wanted to preserve the status quo.



    Full article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9875660/Mid-Staffs-Labour-Government-ignored-MP-requests-for-public-inquiry-into-deaths.html

    Will Labour now apologise for their dreadful mismanagement of the NHS?

    Labour deserves to be criticised for its failures, but too many people forget just how bad the NHS was after 18 years of Tory mis-management. In 1997 waiting lists were horrendous, staff shortages considerable, clinical outcomes apalling and our hospitals were crumbling.

    The Kings Fund report in 2010 reviewed Labour's performance and included several sections on the state of the NHS in 1997.

    http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/files/kf/high-performing-nhs-progress-review-1997-2010-ruth-thorlby-jo-maybin-kings-fund-april-2010_0.pdf

    in 1997 there were more than 1 million people waiting for hospital treatment, and waits of up to 18 months for treatment following an initial hospital consultation were still common.
    People forget that Blair was elected to address these problems and did make considerable progress to improve the situation.

    So when you say will Labour apologise for their mismanagement of the NHS, I say who ever apologised for the mess that Thacther and Major left?
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • PaulF81 wrote: »
    If its an average half won't. I find it slightly odd that the government Are creating one budget issue (state pensions and longetivity) with another (NHS budget creating longetivity issues in pensions).

    But not all of that half will be drain either.

    The government aren't creating anything. People live, a civilised society provides. Those same people were taxed through out their working life to provide for other people. That was the contract they had with society imposed upon by the governments of the day. All that is happening is that policy is being rolled forward. Government shortsightedness has driven us up this creek.
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    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • marleyboy
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    Here's betting this lying toad wont be apologising. ;)
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