What is a bedroom ? and is it a tax ?

nannytone_2

the need for the spare room can be numerous.
medical equiptment.. the need for medical reasons for each of a couple to sleep seperately.
my friend has a 2 bed home. her husband is bed bound and has a hospital bed. neither bedroom is large enough to accodate his bed and a bed for her. many properties have been adapted to accomodate a disability, but these people are also affected.

i waited 10 years for a council property with a garden and i currently live in a 2 bed flat, it was refused by 2 families, as there is no garden.
i was allocated the flat as there are NO 1 bed properties.
surely single people and couples without childrenneed to live somewhere too.

and as for the couple in a bedsit with 2 kids, they had a degreer of choice when having children.
the disabled people that underoccupy dont have a choice in many cases, as the smaller properties just dont exist.

Brassedoff

But as in most cases, items on this site are such a small minority. I was referring about regular people, plus there is the disabled concession reported on the 14th March?

nannytone_2

but this is the disability forum. surely you expectt disabled people to be the main contributers?

the disabled concession as you put it, refers to disabled siblings not having to share a room when it can be proven that it would be detrimental to either, and disabled people that need a non resident overnight carer.

there are no concessions for diabled people that have no other suitable property that they can move to

mysterywoman10

I think your local rag / LA are being a bit over optimistic, the government themselves don't expect many to move as a result. There may be the odd area/LA where this happens but very few.

The reason Nanny raised the disabled is because government's own figures show it is a large number of disabled that are affected as do Richie's detailed posts on the issues.

The concession was forced upon the DWP due to DC's serious error in the house the week before. As a result of this they have now lost/conceeded a very important case to do with disability rights, which exempts severely disabled children and will hopefully pave the way for many other groups to win on case law.

After that people with two kids of the same sex are not going to move, why would they? They will bear the cost of the £14 in most cases.

Doesn't really leave that many who will or who can.

By far the largest number who do actually have spare rooms are over 65 and they are exempt.

Richie-from-the-Boro

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

I think your local rag / LA are being a bit over optimistic, the government themselves don't expect many to move as a result. There may be the odd area/LA where this happens but very few.

The reason Nanny raised the disabled is because government's own figures show it is a large number of disabled that are affected as do Richie's detailed posts on the issues.

The concession was forced upon the DWP due to DC's serious error in the house the week before. As a result of this they have now lost/conceeded a very important case to do with disability rights, which exempts severely disabled children and will hopefully pave the way for many other groups to win on case law.

After that people with two kids of the same sex are not going to move, why would they? They will bear the cost of the £14 in most cases.

Doesn't really leave that many who will or who can.

By far the largest number who do actually have spare rooms are over 65 and they are exempt.

- ta muchly, "66% of claimants who will be affected by the Bedroom Tax are disabled and are exempt from the overall [STRIKE]benefit cap[/STRIKE] bedroom tax"
- ta muchly, social to social or social to private, national figures suggest there's nowhere to move to, they [the GOV] of course already knew that !
- ta muchly, even William III tried it, Lord Freud admitted that "Boxrooms without opening windows normally would not count as bedrooms."

- require by law a financial penalty on non-compliance of something you know can not be complied with is a fine, a clawback of money
- maybe the thread title should be changed to 'What is a boxroom'

NOTE01 : Brassedoff, you ran your own show for years, you can still do junior school arithmetic can't you ? - 660,000 multiplied by £14 per week is ≈ £480m and the exact same amount the government claim this will save - go on tell me its not a tax Brassedoff.

Stop reading / believing the TORY REDTOPS people :

- “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.” - Joseph Goebbels

- “The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.” - Die Tagebücher. Geschichte & Vermarktung - Joseph Goebbels

- “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.” - Joseph Goebbels

lyndac40

By far the largest number who do actually have spare rooms are over 65 and they are exempt.

Hi have to agree with you there mysterywoman10. My sister in law (65) and brother in law (61) both live in 3 bedroom houses and live on their own and have no intention of moving. So therefore the councils will not be freeing up stock of 3 bedroom houses any time soon. I wouldn't expect them to go down to a one bedroom house as they both have relatives that come and stay regularly but they still only need 2 bedrooms at most.

hullvon

Hi my husband and myself had to move from a 2 bed private house to a 3 bed housing trust [ex military] house to accomodate my husbands wheelchair as he had a amputation [and he had no access with a wheelchair as the doors was not wide enough].although this house is a 3 bed one of the bedrooms has a through the ceiling lift [we had put in] so are we in a 3 bedroom house or a 2bedroom house and do i contact the housing trust or the local council for answers any help would be appreciated

nannytone_2

it will all depend on hosw the housing trust veiw the property.
the council will accept their definition of how many bedrooms you have.

Brassedoff

Richie,

Plzzzzzze don't believe I am as thick as your reply to me suggests. I also do not take any red tops! Far from it and NOT the Daily [STRIKE]nazi[/STRIKE] Mail.

There is still a compelling case of people "bedroom blocking" and should be encouraged to move. Think of the poor child in a bedsit sharing with parents? How to help them?

Good to see you are alive and kicking my friend.

mysterywoman10

hullvon wrote: »

Hi my husband and myself had to move from a 2 bed private house to a 3 bed housing trust [ex military] house to accomodate my husbands wheelchair as he had a amputation [and he had no access with a wheelchair as the doors was not wide enough].although this house is a 3 bed one of the bedrooms has a through the ceiling lift [we had put in] so are we in a 3 bedroom house or a 2bedroom house and do i contact the housing trust or the local council for answers any help would be appreciated

Have you received a letter stating your property has been classified as 3 bedroomed?

Are you receiving full housing benefit at the moment? If yes to both questions.......

You need to write to the LA and ask to have the decision looked at again and also speak to the Housing Trust about re-classifying the property in your case.

You can also in the interim apply for a Discretionary Housing Payment.