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stupid stupid fare dodger
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I remember watching the programme 'The Tube' and they monitored repeat fare dodgers on the tube and one day when they were sure he was a fare dodger, they confronted him at the station and showed all the evidence of his constant fare dodging. So if someone is constantly fare dodging they may be monitored and seem to get away with it for a while, until the transport police (or whoever) stop them and say 'you've been doing this for a while' and that's when it can get serious.
Giving them enough rope I think the term is.0 -
geordie_taxi wrote: »
ok carm down. i should have state 'yes' u wont have a crb entry but u will get fined in a magistrates court and that fine cud be large
happy
Whats with the picture?
If we are speaking in English it's CALM...YOU...and COULD.
And I'm am extremely happy not being a thief.0 -
terra_ferma wrote: »You can always count on advice from people who know what they are talking about
, like those who can read my friend's mind and tell me what he knows and doesn't know, as give a sound diagnosis of his psychological state.
As far as the argument that staff are going to spend hours looking at CCTV just to find out if my friend has been dodging fares regularly, this would probably help my case, maybe you can point me to a similar case where this has actually happened (unless it's just a guess and they 'may' rather than 'would' review the CCTV)?
The transport firms have RPO's: Revenue Protection Officers (a grand title I know) who are either on board the train, at stations or in the comfy office whose sole job it is to go through hours of CCTV.
The longer they leave a "dodger" on CCTV the more evidence they have and the more likely the "dodger" is likely to carry on thinking they are cheating the system.
It is human nature to try and get something for free, and the train companies are just as guilty in not having proper ticket collectors at the stations...they want to save money by not employing such staff...they are relying on the honesty of the travelling public.
It's really a game of cat and mouse but weighed heavily in the train companies favor.....the fare dodger is the ultimate loser, in paying a hugh fine (thereby paying for the non exsistant ticket collector) and having possibly (it seems) a stain of a criminal record.
IT's NOT WORTH THE RISK.0 -
terra_ferma wrote: »You can always count on advice from people who know what they are talking about, like those who can read my friend's mind and tell me what he knows and doesn't know, as give a sound diagnosis of his psychological state.
As far as the argument that staff are going to spend hours looking at CCTV just to find out if my friend has been dodging fares regularly, this would probably help my case, maybe you can point me to a similar case where this has actually happened (unless it's just a guess and they 'may' rather than 'would' review the CCTV)?
It's extremely easy to narrow down the CCTV footage if the offender is misusing an Oystercard or similar smartcard. The times that they enter through the ticket gates are all logged on the system, and so they know which trains are being used and the arrival times of those trains at the other end. CCTV has long been used as evidence in such cases. No doubt facial recognition software is also being used to speed up the process.
Revenue protection is a big money-spinner and the resources now put into it reflect that.No free lunch, and no free laptop
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The transport firms have RPO's: Revenue Protection Officers (a grand title I know) who are either on board the train, at stations or in the comfy office whose sole job it is to go through hours of CCTV.
The longer they leave a "dodger" on CCTV the more evidence they have and the more likely the "dodger" is likely to carry on thinking they are cheating the system.
It is human nature to try and get something for free, and the train companies are just as guilty in not having proper ticket collectors at the stations...they want to save money by not employing such staff...they are relying on the honesty of the travelling public.
It's really a game of cat and mouse but weighed heavily in the train companies favor.....the fare dodger is the ultimate loser, in paying a hugh fine (thereby paying for the non exsistant ticket collector) and having possibly (it seems) a stain of a criminal record.
IT's NOT WORTH THE RISK.
that's the point I'm trying to put across to him, and being able to quote examples when staff have monitored someone over a number of days and looked at cctv records would definitely help my case, but without evidence he's not gonna believe that. I tried a search on google and nothing came up.0 -
It's extremely easy to narrow down the CCTV footage if the offender is misusing an Oystercard or similar smartcard. The times that they enter through the ticket gates are all logged on the system, and so they know which trains are being used and the arrival times of those trains at the other end. CCTV has long been used as evidence in such cases. No doubt facial recognition software is also being used to speed up the process.
Revenue protection is a big money-spinner and the resources now put into it reflect that.
I'm sure it can be easily done, but I can't find any cases where this has actually been done. Although in this case he doesn't use an oyster card or even season ticket.0 -
Whats with the picture?
u really r a crybaby. first you have a good cry about my post then u start crying about my spellingThe transport firms have RPO's: Revenue Protection Officers (a grand title I know) who are either on board the train, at stations or in the comfy office whose sole job it is to go through hours of CCTV.
Ah the old CCTV scaremongering statement
RPO/RPI aint CSI agents. they dont work that way and in fact they dont need to theres enough fare dodgers travelling daily using basic methods to keep them employed for many years.
RPO/RPI use either intelligence (ie public tip off) or experience (ie passenger behavior) to spot a fare dodger then when challenged. a set of leading/loaded questions ensures the passenger admitting fare dodging. a tried and test method used since the 18th century
CCTV will only be used by the prosecution dept once theyve decided their going to prosecute. if their trying to prove the fare dodger has been at it for sometime
u dont have to believe me but read through some of the post in the link antonic provided and u will see its the RPI/RPO experience or fare dodgers stupidity and not CCTV that secures a prosecution
in fact the biggest fare dodging scam at the moment 'photoshop' can only be discovered by the skill of a staff member or a tip off from friend or family member
tbh if he goes fare dodging. odds r he will get caught during his first week or maybe first day most do. his behavior will give him away. serial fare dodging its a hard skill/attitude to learn Fares Advisor & Oyster Specialist - Newdeal/ukRail Fares Workshop Accredited0 -
He'll soon be caught unless they're just keeping an eye on him at the moment to build a more solid case. And, if there is evidence that he's doing this all the time then the "go easy for the first time" argument disappears.
Fare dodging is:
1) A much more serious crime than most people think.
2) Much harder to get away with than most people think.
And as for the "fares are too expensive" argument:
1) I don't think they are
2) I think decent Scotch is too expensive but I don't help myself from Tesco. Even if I did it would still not be as serious as fare dodging.Can I help?0 -
He'll soon be caught unless they're just keeping an eye on him at the moment to build a more solid case. And, if there is evidence that he's doing this all the time then the "go easy for the first time" argument disappears.
Fare dodging is:
1) A much more serious crime than most people think.
2) Much harder to get away with than most people think.
And as for the "fares are too expensive" argument:
1) I don't think they are
2) I think decent Scotch is too expensive but I don't help myself from Tesco. Even if I did it would still not be as serious as fare dodging.
again, if there was actually some evidence of them 'keeping an eye' on someone, or using surveillance, on someone who was then prosecuted, it would definitely help me0 -
He'll soon be caught unless they're just keeping an eye on him at the moment to build a more solid case. And, if there is evidence that he's doing this all the time then the "go easy for the first time" argument disappears.
Fare dodging is:
1) A much more serious crime than most people think.
2) Much harder to get away with than most people think.
And as for the "fares are too expensive" argument:
1) I don't think they are
2) I think decent Scotch is too expensive but I don't help myself from Tesco. Even if I did it would still not be as serious as fare dodging.
No one is keeping an eye on him. Its a mass transit system. Too many people passing through to say" oh look theres that really average
Looking geezer slap bang in the middle of rush hour again". Also how is it more serious than we think?0
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