Excel parking fine demand! Should my daughter pay?

big_bird_1

Hi,
My daughter received a Notice To Keeper letter from Excel Parking yesterday demanding £100 for allegedly breaching the car park terms and conditions when parked at Cavendish Retail Park, Keighley.

It states the alleged contravention" Parked without a valid ticket/ permit" took place on 6/10/12 and that a Parking Charge Notice was ...wait for this..EITHER attached to the vehicle OR issued through the post!! ( DON'T THEY KNOW WHICH??? ) and remains unpaid.
The first my daughter heard of this was when she received this letter. She can't remember being there and has definitely not had any previous contact from them.

Shes at her whits end. Shes afraid if it goes to court it could have a detrimental effect on her career.
I've told her not to get in touch with them after reading the advice given on here, but she's afraid if she just ignores them and ends up in court it could go against her. How would she prove she hadn't received notice till the second letter?

She was going to write to them explaining this but I've advised against it.

I read somewhere on the internet that 49 people have been successfully prosecuted recently. Does this mean the courts have changed there view in favor of this company?
Also my daughter lives with me. How would I stand if they sent someone to my door?

amcg100

My opinion is that the car park is not covered by road traffic legislation, therefore it is not a police matter.

You could check whether your local council enforce any bylaws on parking in this area.

Most ticket holders will just pay, that's how they get away with it.
The site owners obviously need to control the parking, so it is with no disrespect to them that I offer this advise -

You don't have to pay

atilla

big_bird_1 wrote: »

Hi,
My daughter received a Notice To Keeper letter from Excel Parking yesterday demanding £100 for allegedly breaching the car park terms and conditions when parked at Cavendish Retail Park, Keighley.

It states the alleged contravention" Parked without a valid ticket/ permit" took place on 6/10/12 and that a Parking Charge Notice was ...wait for this..EITHER attached to the vehicle OR issued through the post!! ( DON'T THEY KNOW WHICH??? ) and remains unpaid.
The first my daughter heard of this was when she received this letter. She can't remember being there and has definitely not had any previous contact from them.

Shes at her whits end. Shes afraid if it goes to court it could have a detrimental effect on her career.
I've told her not to get in touch with them after reading the advice given on here, but she's afraid if she just ignores them and ends up in court it could go against her. How would she prove she hadn't received notice till the second letter?

She was going to write to them explaining this but I've advised against it.

I read somewhere on the internet that 49 people have been successfully prosecuted recently. Does this mean the courts have changed there view in favor of this company?
Also my daughter lives with me. How would I stand if they sent someone to my door?

Oh dear.
Firstly, neither of you need panic. It ain't going anywhere near a Court. The management of this shower must be heartily sick of the Judiciary.
Just stay firm keep ignoring and file any letters from them
You will get several, all inferring various threats and references to Court, but you'll see they only hint at it. Read the stickies and you see.

Coupon-mad

big_bird_1 wrote: »

Hi,
My daughter received a Notice To Keeper letter from Excel Parking yesterday demanding £100 for allegedly breaching the car park terms and conditions when parked at Cavendish Retail Park, Keighley.

It states the alleged contravention" Parked without a valid ticket/ permit" took place on 6/10/12 and that a Parking Charge Notice was ...wait for this..EITHER attached to the vehicle OR issued through the post!! ( DON'T THEY KNOW WHICH??? ) and remains unpaid.
The first my daughter heard of this was when she received this letter. She can't remember being there and has definitely not had any previous contact from them.

Shes at her whits end. Shes afraid if it goes to court it could have a detrimental effect on her career.
I've told her not to get in touch with them after reading the advice given on here, but she's afraid if she just ignores them and ends up in court it could go against her. How would she prove she hadn't received notice till the second letter?

She was going to write to them explaining this but I've advised against it.

I read somewhere on the internet that 49 people have been successfully prosecuted recently. Does this mean the courts have changed there view in favor of this company?
Also my daughter lives with me. How would I stand if they sent someone to my door?

At her wit's end? From this little old (well known) Excel 'scam series' of junk mail?! :eek:

And as for that tiny forty-nine cases which went to small claim in 2011, yes, but that was forty-nine out of 1.8MILLION fake PCNs issued by the whole 'industry'. And over half were defended and won (the losses would include any where the motorist had perhaps moved house or not bothered to show up = a default win for any company trying it on, something to put on their website to scare gullible idiots with). A person has more chance of winning the lottery than a PPC trying a small claim against them!

Calm down! They DO NOT send people to your door, no company can just send the boys round other wise ANYONE could! Think about it, that's not legal! You are getting muddled up with Court bailiffs.

This is pathetic, old, predictable Excel we are discussing here. This whole forum tells you these fake PCNs are scams.

Like all the other posters on this board, your daughter has a fake PCN. Like everyone else who gets one, the DVLA have sold her data for £2.50 and if you complain you will get the brush-off. Try Googling 'DVLA selling data to private parking criminals' and you will find all sorts of newspaper articles; it has also been on Watchdog.

The whole scam of fake PCNs relies firstly on people's ignorance of the fact that a random private company can't fine anyone, and secondly on their natural fear of parking tickets and the escalating costs/bailiff scenario. So PPCs copy the look of a real parking ticket and - hey presto! - the cash rolls in from victims who know no better.

This is not a penalty at all. It's rubbish, there are no bailiffs letters, just debt collector standard template threatograms (all hot air, we can tell you this for certain).

Tick off the threatening letters as you get them, here.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion on a legal Q&A website here.

Recent Auto Express article here.

The letters are actually quite funny when they arrive at the address of someone who knows it's all hogwash and not a real parking ticket at all.

My 18 year old niece has EIGHT fake PCNs so far and laughs & texts me every time she gets one. She is just a new driver, a teenager, and she knows this is all a con like a series of phishing emails.

Just so you know we know what we're talking about, we have posters here and on pepipoo forums who collect fake PCNs for fun and to cost the scammers money.

I would happily collect more fake PCNs than the 2 that I already have for Supermarket overstays (more than an hour overstays, both times when shopping at busy times). Plus I have a nice collection of amusing/alarmist debt collector letters which I carry in my handbag to show friends & colleagues if the subject crops up! :rotfl:

BASFORDLAD

Very good advice by cm, follow it

It cant effect your daughters career, no one will come calling and 49 cases were not recently taken to court

27col

Their final demand is no more scary than their first demand and just as ignorable.

spacey2012

The Director of this company escaped jail by the absolute skin of his teeth by apologising to the court for bringing cases they had no right of audience to do so.
It was made very clear it wont get an opportunity to apologise again.

So it is fair to say that is the end of the court cases they tried.
Lost all 5 and nearly got jailed.

So I think it is very safe to say ignoring them is a safe bet.

esmerobbo

6th October they were banned on the 16th October I believe, for 3 months so until 16th January. Now the AOS COP states they have 28 days to apply for keepers details.

Did they apply before or after the ban?

ManxRed

God, well spotted.

The OP states that even Excel don't seem to know whether it was postal or hand-served. Worst case it was postal by means of camera (or "ANPR" as they mistakenly refer to it), in which case they have up to 14 days, so it might have snuck in before the 16th.

It would hinge on whether it is manual ticketing at the location in question or whether it's an "ANPR" car park.

Worth digging into?

bondy_lad

ignore these clowns and their FAKE fines/invoices.i have a drawer full of loo paper from them and their cronies roxburghe/graham white,,its a SCAM,,please read the stickies on what letters to expect and find out the difference between a PARKING charge notice (which you have recieved) and a PENALTY charge notice (which YOU HAVE NOT recieved),,one is real and one is FAKE, when you realise this you will easily just ignore these clowns,there you go, jobs just a belter aint it.

big_bird_1

Not sure as my daughter didn't receive the first demand, she was only made aware when this one arrived, dated 23rd January. Coincidentally one week after the ban is lifted!