Suspended During Grievance

zzzLazyDaisy

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

you have options about how you approach this, and one possible option to consider might be a 'mutual termination' with an agreed reference.But please do not mention that, or the disciplinary tomorrow, because done wrong it will blow up in your face.

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

But let's hope that they may be open to coming to an amicable agreement with you to avoid going through the disciplinary process. They don't have to, and you don't have any right to demand this, but nevertheless, there is a reasonable possibility that they might be willing to go down this route.

Oh, by the way, just on the off chance that he raises the possibility of a deal tomorrow - just act innocent, say you are not opposed to the idea in principle but you'd like to think about it, and mention in (in a low key way) that if you did agree to their proposal, you would be want a reference to be part of the deal. But don't raise it unless they do, and don't take the lead. Just keep things smooth, and come back here and tell us what happens.

Dx

EDIT: And...

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How do you feel about it? Did you ask for the compromise agreement or did they put it on the table, as it were?


yes they put it on the table. [/QUOTE]


Hmmmmm.....

You have had plenty of opportunity to tell us that you had already raised with them the possibility of doing a deal.

Sorry, but rightly or wrongly I am getting the feeling that we are being given the run around. I am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment, rather than take the risk of abandoning someone with a genuine problem, but I have to be honest, my time, energy and patience is running out.

zzzLazyDaisy

Uncertain wrote: »

Not often I disagree with you! I suspect you were more diligent than many of your profession! I have seen plenty from "professionals" that are so obviously a bad copy and paste job or lifted straight from the net and given five mins work by a junior!

Yes, I've seen those too, and yes I was a lot more diligent than that.

But what I really meant was that there isn't a 'this is a compromise agreement, take it or leave it' form.

So while we can have a pretty accurate guess at the sort of clauses they are going to want to include, a non-legally qualified/advised employee can't credibly start arguing the toss about about a non-existent clause/document!

SuzyZ

Kelly - if you're reading I'm going to say a couple more things then I too am out.

I can see that you are someone who in a panic has jumped to a conclusion, been annoyed about the way you've been treated and has researched via internet CA's and payouts and then treated this thread to a possible CA. and also looked into tribunals etc as well.

Either we ignore you here, think this a wind up OR we give you advice (which I would remind you again is unpaid and given kindly by knowledgeable members of MSE). The thing is also, ok you've been treated unfairly but you haven't been sacked whilst you've been pregnant, racially/sexually etc

I can totally see why you're annoyed. No question about that. Couldn't say if I'd feel the same way or not.

If you go into your new job I think it's great you have a youngish boss who seems on the ball about appraisals etc. Last thing you want to do like I think Daisy said is get into trouble/do too much in a new job with ZERO protection. eg they could get rid of you at a minutes notice, no warnings etc. You really need to play them at their game and be a model employee. Remember you're support staff too, you're not hiring and firing. By all means get your contract, probation period, appraisals, job description etc but then do a bit more (as and when) as you're required but if you're fed up and would rather claim benefits then do so. not saying you would do latter but tons of people do that.

anyway good luck

kelly_borntoshop

kelly_borntoshop wrote: »

Rang Acas and they said to put a grievance letter in now with a settlement figure or i will take them to court on grounds of discrimination. They advised i go to work the next day and ask why i am being sent home. They could not give me reason. I was asked if i wanted to take my things and ushered out.

ok i have just got back and had a brief run through what happened while i've been away. i havent read it all clearly yet.

i can assure you i have not given anyone the run around. everyone seems really angry at me - i have it in my original post at the start of this thread on day 1.

i posted up the actual letter remember? and was advised to take anything off that might be to recognisable? so i deleted the letter from here? i took it off but i can post it again if you like.

when i said "put it on the table" i thought you meant
hypothetically (as in the offer on the table) - i didnt think you meant the actual document.

again i am sorry for confusion but i thought you all knew from reading the grievance letter.

i didnt discuss it or open negotiation to their offer at the greivance hearing, just said as i was told to say i would consider it.

kelly_borntoshop

misunderstanding thats all. not a run around.

i really dont mean to waste anyones time or anything other. i'm really sorry. if it hadnt been for you guys i would have surely messed up at grievance, gone in with attitude and anger. thanks. i havent done anything i wasnt told since the day i came on this board. if you dont think i am genuine you have the right to your opinion but i am genuine. really. daisy you have been amazing as have most of you boardies. i have learned a great deal here and i thank you.

kelly_borntoshop

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

What, someone who committed gross misconduct who cries discrimination at the drop of a hat and strings some HR professionals along for the ride? Yeah, you may be right.

She's certainly time managing you ok!

thats not nice.

kelly_borntoshop

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

Yes, I've seen those too, and yes I was a lot more diligent than that.

But what I really meant was that there isn't a 'this is a compromise agreement, take it or leave it' form.

So while we can have a pretty accurate guess at the sort of clauses they are going to want to include, a non-legally qualified/advised employee can't credibly start arguing the toss about about a non-existent clause/document!

no sorry i shouldnt have mentioned any clauses. just thought it might be in there and maybe i would get a job offer. sorry.

kelly_borntoshop

justanopinion wrote: »

Yeah... little bit of change from what it was yesterday of them forcing stuff on you... Kelly, all the best but I am out.

i didnt say they forced anything?

Sambucus_Nigra

kelly_borntoshop wrote: »

thats not nice.

Neither is wasting people's time.

kelly_borntoshop

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

I knew this was going to be part wind-up.

ah see thats not nice either