DWP told doctor to stop medical certificates

john539

missapril75 wrote: »

Come on people, does anyone seriously believe this would be policy?

Yes, they may want to remind or put pressure on doctors or reinterpret procedures & the law or someone could have made a mistake.

The clueless Tory government desperately needs to prove its welfare ideology, get number on benefits down & get benefits cost down.

flight747

If the DWP are bulling GP's then surely we should take the DWP to european justice of human rights court!

The same thing that the DWP want to axed benefits for those who are overweight (no benefits)

bricklayer1

a fit note is a legal document surely.....

there are tick boxes for the doctor to tick saying "unfit for work"

are they trying to do away with this option on the med certificate?????

Confuseddot

satarical wrote: »

Who has ever mentioned that they don't have?
Of course they do. I think what is being discussed here is the ridiculous continuation of ESA being put into payment whilst waiting for the Tribunal hearing.

You must see that if the regulatory body (DWP) has made a decision in the name of the Secretary of State that someone is fit for work - then that decision must stand until it is possibly overturned by a higher authority.

But here we have the crazy situation that a GP continues to issue sicknotes willy nilly that go against the decision. Yes the GP may have a medical reason for certifying that someone is having difficulties in working, but that cannot and should not be treated as justification to claim that the DWP's decision is wrong.

ESA is the only benefit that continues in payment after someone has been found not to be entitled to it!

GP's are overstepping their authority, they may have a medical opinion, but that means nothing when the test of entitlement to ESA has shown it to be the opposite.

If you are saying that GP's have more authority than the DWP in deciding who should or shouldn't be awarded ESA then the whole legal system will fail.

The easiest way of sorting this out is to stop these ESA payments being mede whilst waiting for the appeal hearing. Why is ESA so different to any other sickness or disability benefit?
JSA should be claimed instead - the DWP have certified that they are fit for work haven't they?

In an ideal world the test of entitlement to esa would actually reflect someones ability to work instead of their abilty to match descriptors. Also in this ideal world the report of said assesment would match what actually happened. Until this happensI think that it is correct to not be forced to apply for JSA.

What happens to those people who are found to ineligible for ESA and ineligible for JSA due to not meeting the criteria for either ?

Given the number of appeals which are successfull and the amount you get for esa assement rate is the same as the JSA rate and the amount of time its taken to get appeals heard why would you penalise those geniunely sick people.

patacake58

DUTR wrote: »

The Op s friend then can move into a care home, they wont need the money then will they? Depending on handouts is depressing and does little to boost any kind of self esteem, many of US have been depressed at sometime in our lives some more than others, it is obvious the OPs friend needs money to survive, but it seems the symptoms may only occur when it is time to find a job.

And where is the money for the costs of the 'care home' going to come from:(
A supposedly civilised society should care about the weakest among them, not dismiss them. You may think that you have suffered from depression at sometime in your life but i can assure you you have not. Only people who have suffered from REAL depression can truly understand just how debilitating it can be.
Thankfully even our MP's can see this, as shown in this recent debate. They all agree that ATOS does not work and there are NO jobs for these people who are being thrown off their benefits.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2013-01-17a.1050.0&s=speaker%3A24910#g1057.1

I truly hope what is happening to these poor people never happens to you.

patacake58

Confuseddot wrote: »

In an ideal world the test of entitlement to esa would actually reflect someones ability to work instead of their abilty to match descriptors. Also in this ideal world the report of said assesment would match what actually happened. Until this happensI think that it is correct to not be forced to apply for JSA.

What happens to those people who are found to ineligible for ESA and ineligible for JSA due to not meeting the criteria for either ?

Given the number of appeals which are successfull and the amount you get for esa assement rate is the same as the JSA rate and the amount of time its taken to get appeals heard why would you penalise those geniunely sick people.

Agree 100%.
I would also like to add that the appeals process against ATOS decisions is currently costing around £50million.
Not so much money being saved when those costs are taken into account.

Bert_Muggins

People do not realise the entire system is a scam and that ALL political parties are in on it. ATOS is just a part of this - It is NOTHING to do with saving money or getting people back to work. It is part of the scam by politicians to get people to blame the sick, unemployed, old etc for the countries problems so that they, the people, do not see the real scam where the government, of ANY party, are giving £trillions to the BANKERS for doing absolutely NOTHING but charge US for printng and borrowing our OWN money.

My reply to ATOS and what is really going on by googling paisley expressions.

bricklayer1

Im currently dealing with the Scottish Ministers for Welfare at the mo, but theres nothing in Scotland that can be done other than putting pressure on Westminster.
The Scots Ministers agree the WCA is a complete shambles and the ill and disabled are suffering due to the way these ATOS assessments are carried out.

Nasty........................:mad:

missapril75

Anyone seen post number 3 in other thread?

There's a link to what appears to be the relevant letter.

There is no "do not issue" but there IS an invitation to send one. There is no mention of fraud either.

It is however riddled with bullying - it's written in invisible ink. If you put your tin foil hat on and look through a lens treated with a cocktail of CIA approved mind bending drugs, you can clearly see the words.

KiKi

It's barely a letter. It's a form with patient details at the top (name, address, DOB), which at the bottom says:


"This patient has been claiming ESA. We recently assessed their ability to work using the Limited Capability for Work Assessment. We decided that your patient is capable of work from DATE. This is based on: (TICK BOXES)

* a medical assessment we arranged and your patient attended on DATE
* medical information you provided
* information your patient gave us

This means you do not have to give your patient any more medical statements for for ESA purposes. But you may have to give your patient new medical statements if:

* they decide to appeal against our decision
* their condition gets significantly worse
* they have a new medical condition.

We have sent your patient a summary of the Limited Capability for Work Assessment."


That's it. Hardly accusing GPs of fraud.

KiKi