DWP told doctor to stop medical certificates

deadlightbulb

DUTR wrote: »

I think you know exactly what I mean miduck, if the Ops friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever, then why do they need money? Depression is not a reason not to be able to do any kind of work, lots of employees suffer depresion at some time, Stephen Hawkins is able to work, I doubt many would want to exchange their postion for his physical ability, so yes the OPs friend can do some kind of work, when she gets a job and goes off sick, then yes the GP can assess whether they are fit enough to return, but whilst they do not have a job at all, the GP has no say, SORRY.

I can see where you are coming from with this but it's a blanket statement and you are assuming a lot about people you don't know. Sure, some people with depression probably could do some work, but that's up to that person and professionals to decide, not you.

My friend did actually have a job and had to leave it due to her depression and knee injury. Since then her conditions have worsened rather than improved, so she would be even less able to work than when she left in the first place.

"if the Ops friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever, then why do they need money?" People in this country need money to survive, I thought that was pretty obvious.

kitschkitty

DUTR wrote: »

I think you know exactly what I mean miduck, if the Ops friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever, then why do they need money? Depression is not a reason not to be able to do any kind of work, lots of employees suffer depresion at some time, Stephen Hawkins is able to work, I doubt many would want to exchange their postion for his physical ability, so yes the OPs friend can do some kind of work, when she gets a job and goes off sick, then yes the GP can assess whether they are fit enough to return, but whilst they do not have a job at all, the GP has no say, SORRY.

What a load of Baloney and goes to show how little understanding (some) people have of mental health issues. Not everyone with depression has the same severity, some people can lead a pretty normal life with or without help, others are severely debilitated some people kill themselves because of it.

Seeing as you have no idea about the OP's friend you have nothing to judge if they have the capacity to work or not other than your own prejudice & misconceptions.

DUTR

kitschkitty wrote: »

What a load of Baloney and goes to show how little understanding (some) people have of mental health issues. Not everyone with depression has the same severity, some people can lead a pretty normal life with or without help, others are severely debilitated some people kill themselves because of it.

Seeing as you have no idea about the OP's friend you have nothing to judge if they have the capacity to work or not other than your own prejudice & misconceptions.

I do not believe the OP's friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever for the rest of their life, it is nothing to do with prejudice or misconception, if they are that much a write off, well.... ..., end of the day at some point in the remainder of their life they can work and should reduce the need to depend on benefits, that is depressing in itself.

DUTR

deadlightbulb wrote: »

I can see where you are coming from with this but it's a blanket statement and you are assuming a lot about people you don't know. Sure, some people with depression probably could do some work, but that's up to that person and professionals to decide, not you.

My friend did actually have a job and had to leave it due to her depression and knee injury. Since then her conditions have worsened rather than improved, so she would be even less able to work than when she left in the first place.

"if the Ops friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever, then why do they need money?" People in this country need money to survive, I thought that was pretty obvious.

The Op s friend then can move into a care home, they wont need the money then will they? Depending on handouts is depressing and does little to boost any kind of self esteem, many of US have been depressed at sometime in our lives some more than others, it is obvious the OPs friend needs money to survive, but it seems the symptoms may only occur when it is time to find a job.

deadlightbulb

DUTR wrote: »

I do not believe the OP's friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever for the rest of their life, it is nothing to do with prejudice or misconception, if they are that much a write off, well.... ..., end of the day at some point in the remainder of their life they can work and should reduce the need to depend on benefits, that is depressing in itself.

This has nothing to do with the rest of her life. It's for the here and now. My friend has worked for the past 40 years and it's only in the last year that she's been unable to. She wants to go back to work when she is able to, but until then she needs benefits to see her through to the time when she is mentally and physically in a position where she can work.

Please stop assuming things, you have absolutely no idea what goes on in other people's lives. I have never once said my friend is writing off the rest of her life to live on benefits and even if she did need that then it would have nothing to do with you.

miduck

DUTR wrote: »

I do not believe the OP's friend cannot do any kind of work whatsoever for the rest of their life, it is nothing to do with prejudice or misconception, if they are that much a write off, well.... ..., end of the day at some point in the remainder of their life they can work and should reduce the need to depend on benefits, that is depressing in itself.

I find it quite bizarre that you do not think a highly qualified GP is in a position to rule on an individual's fitness for work, yet you believe that you are! :rotfl:

deadlightbulb

DUTR wrote: »

The Op s friend then can move into a care home, they wont need the money then will they? Depending on handouts is depressing and does little to boost any kind of self esteem, many of US have been depressed at sometime in our lives some more than others, it is obvious the OPs friend needs money to survive, but it seems the symptoms may only occur when it is time to find a job.

I am the OP. Please stop making a fool of yourself because you're making a lot of wild generalizations about my friend who you only know from a few posts I've made about them in order to clarify their situation. If you want to make rulings on whether someone is fit for work then I suggest you get a job at the DWP, your talents will surely be appreciated there but they're certainly not with me.

This has gone somewhat off topic now and I apologize to everyone else for that.

DUTR

deadlightbulb wrote: »

I am the OP. Please stop making a fool of yourself because you're making a lot of wild generalizations about my friend who you only know from a few posts I've made about them in order to clarify their situation. If you want to make rulings on whether someone is fit for work then I suggest you get a job at the DWP, your talents will surely be appreciated there but they're certainly not with me.

This has gone somewhat off topic now and I apologize to everyone else for that.

It would not be wise for me to get a top job at the DWP, as benefits would be minimal if anything at all, certainley not for those that have never worked, as your friend has yes I do agree she should be entitled to some help for a low period in her life, I'm not attacking you or your friend, remember it is a public board and what you write is what responses are based upon, whether you agree or not the GP is treading on dodgy ground, you are I cannot change that whether we agree with each other or not.

miduck

DUTR wrote: »

the GP is treading on dodgy ground

You fail to explain why they are on "dodgy ground"?

DUTR

miduck wrote: »

You fail to explain why they are on "dodgy ground"?

It was explained earlier, some things are worked on logic not emotion, if a person was lower limbless they would not be expected to take on a job which required climbing ladders. Does not mean they could not do other work with their upper limbs though.
Depression is different, when one is down in that dark place it is near impossible to find motivation to do anything, but then even money affairs wouldn't matter at that time.